45Badger
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May be a silly question, but I have no clue. Thanks!
What is difference between .17 mach2 and .17 hmr?
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Runningman
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wcoats is correct the 17 Mach 2 is based on the longer necked down CCI Stinger case.
The 17 HMR is based on a necked down 22 RF Mag case.
The 17 HMR is based on a necked down 22 RF Mag case.
NCsmitty
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That equates to around 400fps advantage for the HMR with the 17gr vmax.
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chevyforlife21
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dude im not sure lol. but can you use the cartridges interchangeably?
bigfatdave
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would you put a bottleneck cartridge of the wrong base size AND length into any other rifle?
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rangerruck
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about 1/3 less the cost in ammo price; plus if you fire eley or remington mach 2 ammo, it is hotter loaded than other m2 ammo, about 100-200 fps faster than other m2 ammo. plus if you get a m2 rifle, you can fire the 17 aguila rounds; a true 22 lr case , plus the round in it is 20 grains, solid or hollow point, no vmax tip. it goes about 2000 fps from the bbl, and drills tiny holes into subject matter; very cool if you wanna keep skins or not destroy meat.
the m2 round is without a doubt , the funnest rimfire round out there, it is a blast, plus with a 100 yd zero, it only rises about .7 to 1 inch at 50 yds, depending on your scope setup, and is only about 3 to 5 inches low, at 150.
You can regularly buy eley/remmy m2 ammo , for 4 bucks or so per box, from places such as ammunitiontogo.com.
the m2 round is without a doubt , the funnest rimfire round out there, it is a blast, plus with a 100 yd zero, it only rises about .7 to 1 inch at 50 yds, depending on your scope setup, and is only about 3 to 5 inches low, at 150.
You can regularly buy eley/remmy m2 ammo , for 4 bucks or so per box, from places such as ammunitiontogo.com.
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I had a vid up on youtube of shooting targets with a .17 hmr and someone had posted a question asking why his Savage shot poorly. After some discussion it turns out he was shooting .17 HM2 in his gun that was chambered for .17 HMR and had no clue that you couldnt do that. Do certain U.S. states not require you to take a firearms course before you can purchase a firearm? Or are you just allowed to go out and buy whatever you want once you turn of age?
Tim the student
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I have been contemplating getting a gun for one of these two.
So is it safe to say that they are both accurate and flat shooting out to about 100 - 150 (on a calm day) yds, both will do their intended job on game assuming it is a good ethical shot, but the M2 costs half as much?
That's what it seems like to me - can someone correct me or confirm this?
So is it safe to say that they are both accurate and flat shooting out to about 100 - 150 (on a calm day) yds, both will do their intended job on game assuming it is a good ethical shot, but the M2 costs half as much?
That's what it seems like to me - can someone correct me or confirm this?
rangerruck
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the second amendment allows any citizen to have a gun; now then, stupidity is more of a priviledge , than a right, so after that, it is up to the parents, or you.
Most kids I know, start driving younger than 15, and most I know, do it in rural areas, or in farm/ranch country or something like that, or out in the boonies or sticks. If you wanna be 12 and start your first drive during morning rush hour, in say houston, again, that is up to your folks and you. If you are too embarassed to ask what ammo your rifle uses, that is ther person'sfault, not the state nor societies'.
Most kids I know, start driving younger than 15, and most I know, do it in rural areas, or in farm/ranch country or something like that, or out in the boonies or sticks. If you wanna be 12 and start your first drive during morning rush hour, in say houston, again, that is up to your folks and you. If you are too embarassed to ask what ammo your rifle uses, that is ther person'sfault, not the state nor societies'.
rangerruck
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if you are gonna do the ruger thing, go over to rimfirecentral.com, you will need to change out a few parts, to get the weight and the timing right.
the m2 is a perfect squirrel gun; laser shot, from zero to 50 yds, no arc like a 22, and will pop their heads right off-no meat explosion. It is very flat shooting out to 150 , and ammo is 1/3 or 1/4 of the cost of hmr ammo, depending on where , and how much of it you buy at 1 time. check your favorite auction sites for it, plus grafs, midway, and my favorite , ammunitiontogo.com.
and if you just want a tiny hole driller, see if your rifle will fire 17aguila ammo , accurately enough for you. Most guys are not quite as accurate with it, as they are their regular mach 2 ammo, but most dudes are hunting accurate with it. but you never know, my ruger 77/17m2 is a one hole punch, with 17 aggie ammo, at 50 yds. Like most rimfires , you never know until you try it.
the m2 is a perfect squirrel gun; laser shot, from zero to 50 yds, no arc like a 22, and will pop their heads right off-no meat explosion. It is very flat shooting out to 150 , and ammo is 1/3 or 1/4 of the cost of hmr ammo, depending on where , and how much of it you buy at 1 time. check your favorite auction sites for it, plus grafs, midway, and my favorite , ammunitiontogo.com.
and if you just want a tiny hole driller, see if your rifle will fire 17aguila ammo , accurately enough for you. Most guys are not quite as accurate with it, as they are their regular mach 2 ammo, but most dudes are hunting accurate with it. but you never know, my ruger 77/17m2 is a one hole punch, with 17 aggie ammo, at 50 yds. Like most rimfires , you never know until you try it.
Coyote3855
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I have a couple of .17 HMRs, a single shot NEF and a CZ American. Actually, the CZ is my wife's. Both shoot better than I can hold. Both have good Leupold variable scopes. We use them to control ground squirrels on our rural property. Out to 50 yards, which is about as long a shot as I'm comfortable with, the m2 would probably be as good as the HMR.
Reach of the HM2 and the HMR are very close. I have both, and prefer the HM2 due to cost of ammo, and a little less noise. I would stay away from a semi-auto in HM2 though as it seems there have been quite a few issues getting them to run reliably. I shoot a super 14 barrel on my G2 Contender in HM2 and it works great. I probably sacrifice a little bit in velocity, but not much. It has a holo sight on it, and it's wicked accurate out beyond 100 yards. Very flat. I also have a super 14 match barrel in 22 and it's as accurate, but only out to about 75 yards before the curve gets too great. YMMV
rangerruck
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there is a guy over on RFC, that has been doing themach2/10.22 conversions for a long time, named Skeeter. He has been doing experementation with all kinds of variables, also mach 2 testing for t/c and also now his own stuff, so he really knows what to do , to get the 10.22 conversions right. His own rigs that he sells are based on the 10.22 chargers, with his own special made parts, including the bbls. So don't be afraid to get one , either one of his, or with parts he recommends for a 10.22; it will run right.
rangerruck
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plus again, the mach 2 will fire the 17 aggies quite accurately, maybe not as good as normal mach 2 ammo, but plenty enough for hunting accuracy.
plus they do make a hollow point as well.
http://www.outdoormarksman.com/product_info.php?cPath=65_2_883&products_id=7843
plus they do make a hollow point as well.
http://www.outdoormarksman.com/product_info.php?cPath=65_2_883&products_id=7843
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sbarkowski which of the communist states do you reside in??
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I live in Canada.. and I dont believe being taught firearms safety is by any means communist..
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KBintheSLC
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I would likely go for the 17 Mach2 purely based on ammo price. I would not foresee myself hunting tiny game out past 50-100 yards, within which I doubt there would be a major performance difference between the two.
That is correct. Luckily, most States do not require you to get the approval of some gvt. bureaucracy in order to exercise your constitutional rights (This does not include concealed carry permit holders, who are required to take a course to obtain a license). Instead, they rely on a thing called personal accountability. You, and only you are responsible for your actions. If you are negligent and harm another person, you alone will face the consequences... not all of society.
That is correct. Luckily, most States do not require you to get the approval of some gvt. bureaucracy in order to exercise your constitutional rights (This does not include concealed carry permit holders, who are required to take a course to obtain a license). Instead, they rely on a thing called personal accountability. You, and only you are responsible for your actions. If you are negligent and harm another person, you alone will face the consequences... not all of society.
No. The 22 mag case the 17HMR is based on is larger in diameter than the 22 case the 17HM2 uses. Any attempt to fire the smaller case in the too large chamber will probably result in a split case.
For the same reason don't try to fire 22LRs in a 22 mag chamber.
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