What is hunting (breakoff from separate thread)

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Early man did not hunt alone, let alone naked, was a community effort. Well, in Africa, he might have been naked time to time, but not in ice aged Europe and America. He didn't wanna freeze his boys off, after all. By the time the atlatl came along, he was wearing skins and weaved garments for sure. Few men could survive long alone. Survival by early man was in tribal groups. There were few Rambos back then.

The better way to hunt game in the original way is to find a herd of buffalo and drive 'em over a tall cliff with your whole tribe waving torches at 'em to scare 'em over. Then, you go down to the bottom of the cliff and finish 'em off with speers and clovis points and start the butchering with your obsidian knives. The capes you keep for your dwellings and clothing, the meat you'll smoke/jerk what you don't eat up immediately.

Yeah, nature is cruel. Get over it. With all our boy scout training and popular culture teaching us how one with nature the native American tribes were, singing "Koombaya" around the campfire and all that, it's sometimes shocking to learn the reality. But, hey, they were HUMANS surviving in a wild, new land. Sure, they lived in harmony with their environment more than WE do. They didn't drive cars and burn fossil fuels and pave over parts of natural habitat to build walmarts or casinos at the time, but they used what means they had to, cruelty aside, to survive. There was really no "sportsman's ethic" at the time. They clubbed fur seals to death, they ran buffalo off cliffs and eventually got around to putting them down with spears, they did a lot of things PETA doesn't seem to appreciate. If we went back to that life style, PETA would be the first to die of starvation. :D
 
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More on word usage: "Sport" hunting generally has been accepted to mean non-survival or non-subsistence hunting.

There are far more good reasons to hunt than not hunt, but hunting is nowhere near a necessity for one's food. But, no big deal, really...

Art
 
Depends on the person and place Art.

I think the original post left out a category: those who do hunt solely for meat/subsistence purposes. I know many people who fall into that category, including myself (once I'm on my land in Ak this summer I will be anyways...). Couldn't care less about "sport" or trophies, just the meat and any useable fur/skin, though I have no problem with those who do hunt for sport/trophy/etc. reasons, just not my interest in it...though any excuse works for me to get into the woods...
 
Little bit of every kind

My fiance is a little bit of every type of hunter. He uses all different methods--bow, muzzle loader, and rifle. He hunts for meat, for the social experience, for the challenge, even for conservation, and etc. There is not just one thing that drives him.
 
when you get down to it no kind/type of hunting is truly any better than the other if your hunting with a firearm because the animal cant shoot back which tips the scale in your favor everytime. humans have only switched to hunting with projectile weapons because its easier and the advantage over the animal is much greater with a higher probability of killing whatever it is your going after. in a sense, its sheer laziness. guns were made to kill other people with guns, hunting animals with them is, obviously, unfair to the animal either way you go about it.

unless you are a person who lives in the wilderness far away from civilization there is no reason to hunt period.

i will say, though, that some peoples motivations for going out and killing things are down right sick.

in the video with the lion its clear to me those people had no reason to be in africa killing lions other than to get their rocks off which to me is the wrongest reason of all. if you are going to hunt atleast hunt traditional gaming animals and eat them, or give the meat to those who do not have food to eat themselves.

if you want to act like you have something over the other guy go out and kill an animal with your bare hands because thats the only way to really level the playing field of man vs animal. if you cant/dont do that your no better than anyone else.

fyi: i do hunt sometimes, mostly birds.
 
AntiqueCollector, I'm aware of the subsistence hunting in Alaska. I favor it, from a cultural viewpoint. Even there, however, it's not truly a necessity--not from the standpoint of "hunt or starve" because there's no food available from civilization.
 
After reading through all of the above post I am not sure where I fit in. I, like several here live in Texas. I was brought into hunting as it was something my family has done for years before I was even a thought. In the early days of my father's life, it was for food plain and simple, as he was from a large family of ten. They lost their father at an early age at the end of the depression and either had to hunt or not eat. Luckily they lived in a rural area and had property in which to do this on, as well as friendly neighbors who allowed them premision.

I shot my first deer at age six from a box stand over looking a feeder. To me at that time this was hunting. As I grew older I gained more and more skills and hunted many different terrains and places. I found that sitting in a box was still fun but also I had a need to get out and do my own thing. I learned to track through necessity in finding several deer which had been lost by myself and other hunters through the years. They didn't always leave a blood trial. I learned through watching and listeneing to my father and uncles who learned from experience in their youth. I learned many things from them to which I am eternally grateful, as they were great teachers and examples.

In my years of experiences I have been one, who felt bad if I didn't get a chance at a deer, one who felt that if I had 7 tages I needed to fill them all, one who had to have the biggest buck or settle for nothing, one who has hunted over food plot and feeders without fireing a shot or filling all my tags over the same, one who has learned my rifles and the ballistics of each to enable me to make a one shot kill out to ranges some if not most folks call ridiculious or unethical, one who can slip undetected more times than not sometimes to within yards of deer or feral hogs in the woods just to do so and has the patients to do so, one who has brought my daughter into hunting at an age when folks said she was way to young to do so, (but I would put her up against most men I know and she would probably shame them,) to now being one who is teaching my grandson at age 6 to shoot and track as I learned, and that patients and waiting for the best shot or letting them walk is the best option.

I hunt now to enjoy the wildlfe we have in our areas. If I choose to shoot it may be for a number of reasons, but they are mine, and they are legal. I do not get overly concerned by what others figure I should be doing, as I know at the end of the day what I did was well within the realm of my own consious. I have sat for hours just watching an open hayfield hopeing for just a glimpse of an ear along the edge of the woods on the far side. I have also sat for hours watching dozens upon dozens of deer work their way in and out of food plots I planted for them just to help them through the year. I bring my grandson out with me to box blinds, and two man tree stands with covers around them in order that he can see game and to help conceal some of his youthfull fidgiting. He has taken a couple of feral hogs and a coyote so far and missed his first deer due to being excited at the chance, all from some type of stand or hide. Do I feel this is wrong bringing him into hunting this way, nope not at all. At his young age he can already shoot less than 2" groups at 100yds, can distinguish several types of tracks and follow trails and pick out scrapes and rubs. He also has the mindfulness to sit out in the wide open pasture and have deer come within 50yds or less without spooking them with movement. He cannot however hold the rifle on his own just yet. When the time comes however, he will already have a skill base to draw from.

I continually read the bickering between folks who hunt here or there, this way or that way, and believe that only shots within a certian yardage should be taken or no good can ever come from it. THey might hunt wide open terrain with rolling hills or woods which only allow limited visability, or flat farmland which one can see for upwards to a mile or more. I have and still hunt on property which can have some of it or all, and know that I might leave the house planning to shoot 400 plus yards only to make a shot at 10 yards using a 300 RUM or plan to only shoot 50 yards and make a shot past 400 yards using my .243 Win. In each case I will have done my part to ensure things end quickly and decisevly no matter what someone who is not there at the time the trigger breaks thinks they could have, should have, or would have done. I know from experience that the caliber of a firearm or the draw weight of a bow is not the determining factor in being sucessful, as they are just tools. IT is the inherent skill of the person using the tool to get the job done. For some the term "skill" is a meaningless term. For others it describes a choice to learn and develope their abilities to accomplish a goal. The goal might be the same in the end but the tactics are always open for debate. One thing I don't do is try to push my ideals on others. I might suggest a way in doing something if asked, or if I see a need as when someone who is new to shooting is working on sighting in a new rifle or handgun. I do not however tell them that this is the only or best way that it can be done or that their way is wrong simply because it is not the way I would do it. This is of course keeping within the lines of safety. I use my learned experience to draw up the best conclusion for the problem I see they are having and offer the guidance that I deem the most appropriate.

Most of the native folks in Texas grew up hunting on privite property or leased property in one manner or another. There are also a lot of us, who like myself have hunted many types of property including high fence operations free range farms and public access, and been highly successful through the years. The high fenced operations might seem like canned hunts to some, but I have hunted several of these types ranches and found that the huting can be just as difficult, if not more so in some areas than hunting out in national forrest areas or other pulic access lands. Granted my chance at a 170 class whitetail or a bull elk here anywhere within a 10 hour drive might not be good on public land but it's not impossible, but then again on some of the ranches depending on the operation it is still not a guarantee either.

Here we have a huge population of feral hogs. Some states actually consider them game animals. To most here, this would be like calling a prarie dog, ground hog, or other similar critter a game animal, and posing a season and limit on them. To some this would sound propustious to others not, simply because of cultural differences. Here we sometimes shoot feral hogs in like manners to what some shoot the above mentioned critters. Not always from a hunting state of mind, but sometimes from a nuesence control point. Most who would disagree with this practice have never had 50 or more acres of prime coastal hay field or several hundered acres of corn ruined in less than a week by them and simply do not understand how someone would simply shoot them and leave them lay. However they would head right out to spray insecticide on their crops to keep the bugs from eating them. By the same token I don't see whats so facinating about blowing small rats to pieces, at least I, if I choose to, eat the hogs or give them to someone. We use dogs, bait, spotlights and numerious other tactics, hunt them year round day and night and are not even making a dent in the population. It is still hunting in that they just don't wander out in the wide open 98% of the time, but when they do we take full advantage of it using whatever we have on hand or tactic we can at the time.

Hunting is in my opinion a heritage brought through the ages by our great grandparents, grandparents, fathers, mothers, uncles, auntes, cousins, family friends, or whom ever sparked your interest in it. Whether you do it for food or simply to get out in the out of doors. At some point in time everyone on this board, or just about any other internet stop, has been or was exposed to some definition of "hunting", and depending on what was typical, or the norm for that area at that point in time. It formed the nucleus of your ideals today, just as it has for everyone else. This nucleus then grows with your experience or experiences through the years to form your own ideals and opinions of what you consider "hunting". The problem arises when folks from one opinion or mind set begin to think or preach that they are right and others are wrong simply due to the circumstances or habits in which they choose to or learned to, in the end do the same thing.

As has been mentioned, times are getting tough for not only hunters, but also anyone who enjoys many of the gun related sports. This is a time we need to set aside differences, and band together for the common good and goal of us all. Sorry if my definitions didn't fit or were not segregated but I hope that the meaning is seen.
 
Even there, however, it's not truly a necessity--not from the standpoint of "hunt or starve" because there's no food available from civilization.

I'm sure it varies. But a lot of people in the "bush" I've talked with don't have much in the way of income and could never afford to buy their meat, especially given the costs of simply transporting it.
 
Personally I think you are injecting your values into the definitions, trophy hunter in particular reads really poorly. It sounds like these are morraly disgusting people, and they aren't.

There is no concern for methods of the hunt or kill-- only that the goal is reached.

I knoiw a lot of trophy hunters that do more work than 99% of the people on this board to shoot the right animal.
 
I knoiw a lot of trophy hunters that do more work than 99% of the people on this board to shoot the right animal.

I don't think anyone would argue with you if you mean passing up animals and doing the things that hunting rquires for success for longer periods of time because you are looking for the best rack or whatever defines the trophy. If a trophy isn't the hunter's goal he will take animals that the trophy hunter isn't interested in but that doesn't mean that the hunter who isn't after a trophy doesn't put in the work - preseason and during. A meat hunter can work just as long and hard to get a chance at an animal.

Whatever the motive, I know that hunters do more for conservation than anyother group - everything from the taxes we pay on ammunition, etc. that go to conservation, to the groups we belong to such as DU, etc. and their programs, to the other things we do such as food plots, varmint hunting to control predators, habitat management, etc. It isn't just game animals that benefit and I guarantee that if it weren't for groups like DU we wouldn't have the wildlife - game and nongame - we have.
 
Huh??

when you get down to it no kind/type of hunting is truly any better than the other if your hunting with a firearm because the animal cant shoot back which tips the scale in your favor everytime. humans have only switched to hunting with projectile weapons because its easier and the advantage over the animal is much greater with a higher probability of killing whatever it is your going after. in a sense, its sheer laziness. guns were made to kill other people with guns, hunting animals with them is, obviously, unfair to the animal either way you go about it.

unless you are a person who lives in the wilderness far away from civilization there is no reason to hunt period.

i will say, though, that some peoples motivations for going out and killing things are down right sick.

in the video with the lion its clear to me those people had no reason to be in africa killing lions other than to get their rocks off which to me is the wrongest reason of all. if you are going to hunt atleast hunt traditional gaming animals and eat them, or give the meat to those who do not have food to eat themselves.

if you want to act like you have something over the other guy go out and kill an animal with your bare hands because thats the only way to really level the playing field of man vs animal. if you cant/dont do that your no better than anyone else.

fyi: i do hunt sometimes, mostly birds.

That's funny, 'cause you sure sound like an antihunter to me, based on your text.

Fair to the animal? Try slipping quietly through the woods to get within bow range or even rifle range of a whitetail...let me know how you do.

And the meat from the LION in the video was probably given to the local villagers, very little meat is wasted on African hunts, the villagers use almosr everything.

And sheer laziness to use guns? I hope you walk to work and don't use phones of any kind, 'cause cars and phones are other examples of inventions that have made us lazy in other ways...
 
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