What is the argument for reinstating the AWB?

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If its war they want, they should think long and hard before waging it against 100 million armed citizens. Most of us are already at the end of our patience reserve.
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I understand your frustration. But I think that still too many Americans, including those in our firearms brotherhood, are all too happy to let "the other guy" take the heat. By that, I mean we are still too factioned to pose a unified front. It's the old "....when they came for the Jews, when they came for the homosexuals......." thing.
Unless, and until we bond together as one voice we'll continue to see our rights eroded.
JOIN THE NRA. Don't whine to me about...the NRA this...or the NRA that, so I don't like them. They are the ONLY unified voice we have right now.
Write your congress critters both state and federal and let them know that they will NEVER get your vote again if they try to infringe on your 2nd Amendment rights. Make your voice heard to the ones that can and will make a difference.
And, yes, continue to yell from the rooftops of the internet. It keeps us all motivated. It's not wasted energy.

My $ .02

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Not surprisingly... Good ol Lou Dobbs will be discussing Holder's comments during his show on CNN and has phrased it as "an attack on your 2nd amendment rights". Something tells me MSNBC won't have the same slant on the coverage :)
 
What is the argument for reinstating the AWB?

Well, I just saw Diane Feinstein on T.V. and she made a clear argument for reinstating it:

"Semiautomatic or Military-style weapons simply have no use in urban areas".

Wow.... that makes lots of sense, huh? I mean, there's noting by solid reasoning in her statement.

The reign of the Chosen One is in full swing and, once again, the libs are dusting off the usual suspects in an effort to usurp our 2A rights. Remember, they're smarter than us and their only concerned with our well-being!
 
rickomatic said:
JOIN THE NRA. Don't whine to me about...the NRA this...or the NRA that, so I don't like them. They are the ONLY unified voice we have right now.
Write your congress critters both state and federal and let them know that they will NEVER get your vote again if they try to infringe on your 2nd Amendment rights. Make your voice heard to the ones that can and will make a difference.
And, yes, continue to yell from the rooftops of the internet. It keeps us all motivated. It's not wasted energy.

My $ .02
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I just renewed my NRA membership after a couple years of not being a member due to disagreements with some of their positions because you're absolutely right. We need all the help and organization we can get right now to help us keep the reigns of tyranny off of us, and the NRA is the largest and arguably most effective solution.
I personally love the JPFO (they respond to gun grabbers the way that Israel responds to terrorists - its great) and am planning on joining them soon, though I realize that it might not be quite as effective as my NRA membership in terms of defending my freedom.
 
The NRA is our best defense

As far as the NRA goes, I know that some people take exception on a few of their positions and that's fine; staying true to one's priniciples is generally an admirable trait.

When we are talking about defending our 2A rights in the face of what is arguably the the most potentially oppressive administration EVER, we need to bring our "A" Game.

Joining the NRA, or maintaining your membership status, costs about the same as a box of quality handgun ammo goes for these days. Whether you agree with them 100% or not, they are unarguably the best bang (pun intended) for the buck. Collectively, members are a political force to be recconed with. Don't belive me? Ask Al Gore or John Kerry.

Until another 2A group surpasses the NRA in terms of sheer political power, they'll have my support.
 
The NRA is our best defense

As far as the NRA goes, I know that some people take exception on a few of their positions and that's fine; staying true to one's priniciples is generally an admirable trait.

When we are talking about defending our 2A rights in the face of what is arguably the the most potentially oppressive administration EVER, we need to bring our "A" Game.

Joining the NRA, or maintaining your membership status, costs about the same as a box of quality handgun ammo goes for these days. Whether you agree with them 100% or not, they are unarguably the best bang (pun intended) for the buck. Collectively, members are a political force to be recconed with. Don't belive me? Ask Al Gore or John Kerry.

Until another 2A group surpasses the NRA in terms of sheer political power, they'll have my support.
 
Want to save your 2ND amendment.Go to, www.secondamendmentmarch.com and get involved. For all that think it will never happen, with that attitude it wont. If you get involved we can make it happen.
Millions of law abiding citizens marching in state capitols and D.C. in the spring of 2010.
Mija
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They have no rationale, at this point in time, other than their political pride was severely damaged by the utter failure of their last ban. That ban turned out to be a blessing for the gun owners. While not doing very much in terms of actual gun control, it awakened a large percentage of the "fence sitters" as to gun ownership. It not only resulted in a large increase in gun ownership at the time it was passed, but also set the stage for the unprecedented level of gun and ammunition purchases we have seen over the last several months.

The gun-banning group just can't find it in themselves to admit that their social policies of entitlements, leniency to criminals, welfare state, and on and on, has not resulted in utopia. Their approach has led to lifestyles that say the government will provide our food and shelter - our criminal activities will provide the niceties of life that other people have to work 40+ hours per week to get. And the best part - we will not have to really worry about swift punishment, long imprisonments, or tough prisons.

We are very fortunate that the democratic party is not particularly intelligent. If they could have shown a massive reduction in crime after the first year or so of the ban, they would have had the general publics support for the destruction all guns, other than maybe a shotgun and "hunting" rife, to be locked up in a public storage facility rather than kept at home. But to accomplish tht crime reduction, they would have to address all crime like the crime of bank robbery is addressed. Banks are one of the easiest and most profitable robberies to commit for the small time criminal, but the assurance of quick response and long jail sentences are effective deterrents. Liberal thinking, though, has no stomach for applying the same standard to everyday crime and criminals.

There will be another attempt at a gun ban, but it will be a quick sneak attack, well-planned out ahead of time and waiting for a trigger such as another mass school attack or public massacre. the plan will be to get it voted in quickly and the logistics of enforcement started before any organized opposition to the vote can be gathered. Public outrage to senseless killing can be a powerful motivator for quick actions. We shall see..........
 
I wonder if sometime in the future

these laws O is passing....
You know, the "gotta-pass-them-quick, no-no-dont-read-them" bills, I wonder if they'll be remembered in our future history books as this generations' "Intolerable Acts"?
We all sit and try to draw the line in the sand over the "second amendment" when all of this theft takes place under our noses. The theft is not from us alone, the theft is from our children. Yet we do nothing. I look every day at my twin toddlers and want to cry. A grown man, still I want to cry. Every day my childrens' education fund and money for what I want for them is taken away and given to someone else with the mere stroke of a pen. It is one thing for me to not have what I want, but taking from my children is unacceptable. To top it, not only from my hands and out of their mouths, so to speak, but from their future hands and their childrens' mouths. This, to me, is as intolerable as losing my rights to the second amendment. This is losing the right to properly provide for my children. Further their rights, to provide for theirs. The second amendment is not all they are after and so far they are getting the rest. Freedom, itself, not just one freedom is at stake.
I may be heckeld, boo-ed, or maligned for all of this, but we have drawn a line in the sand and they have stepped around it and encircled us. For example, taxation and creative taxation have been ways to create whole departments and to obstruct or impair rights. The second amendment is only one piece, not THE PIECE, and I am afraid we have missed the much larger issue of "they came for this they came for that... but when they came for the second amendment, there was nothing else to stop them". Though I do not deny the value of the second amendment: I am afraid with the Second, we have missed the forest for a tree.
 
The majority of Americans have no idea what a "real" assult rifle is and the present administration will use this to their advantage. I have a "TactiKool" 12 gauge that most people would call an assult rifle. Food for thought. We used shotguns in Vietnam on the majority of our combat patrols. Is the shotgun to be declared an assult weapon? No.
 
I understand your frustration. But I think that still too many Americans, including those in our firearms brotherhood, are all too happy to let "the other guy" take the heat. By that, I mean we are still too factioned to pose a unified front. It's the old "....when they came for the Jews, when they came for the homosexuals......." thing.
Unless, and until we bond together as one voice we'll continue to see our rights eroded.
JOIN THE NRA. Don't whine to me about...the NRA this...or the NRA that, so I don't like them. They are the ONLY unified voice we have right now.
Write your congress critters both state and federal and let them know that they will NEVER get your vote again if they try to infringe on your 2nd Amendment rights. Make your voice heard to the ones that can and will make a difference.
And, yes, continue to yell from the rooftops of the internet. It keeps us all motivated. It's not wasted energy.

My $ .02
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Agreed!

You know, the "gotta-pass-them-quick, no-no-dont-read-them" bills, I wonder if they'll be remembered in our future history books as this generations' "Intolerable Acts"?
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Maybe; I don't know. But I do know this: Rushing legislation through is ALWAYS a bad idea. Anytime a politicians says "we must pass this without delay", and makes a disparaging remark to any opposition who wants to actually read it and debate it, should be regarded with extreme suspicion.
 
Their argument goes something like this...

  • Guns are bad
  • Guns kill people
  • Guns are the cause of society's ills
  • Gun owners are virtual criminals
  • Citizens who cling to guns are not mentally healthy
  • Average citizens should not have the freedom to defend himself/herself with lethal force
  • Violent criminals willingly abide by gun control laws
  • Gun manufacturers are to blame for all violent crime
  • Violent crime wouldn't exist if guns were banned
  • The higher violent crime rates in other countries has nothing to do with an unarmed populace
  • Gun manufacturers conspire to organize gang activity amongst ethnic groups
  • Gun manufactures invented Gangsta Rap
  • One million children are killed by guns everyday
  • Ten million children are killed by guns everyday
  • Twenty million children are killed by guns everyday
  • Our utopia awaits on the other side of complete gun control enforcement
  • Only government personnel are capable of handling firearms safely
  • All government personnel are a different, flawless, perfected, race of human kind
  • All gun owners suffer from a number of mental illnesses
  • All gun owners are slack-jawed, red necked, racist, sexist, bigoted, homophobes
  • Concealed carry permits are issued at random to inner city gang members
  • Only federally qualified individuals are competent enough to carry guns
  • Guns are readily available at Wal Mart to children and felons
  • Gun shows hand out free handguns without checking ID
  • Mountain militias manufacture and distribute black market machine guns
  • Assault weapons tend to fire without operator control
  • Manufacturers often label full-auto guns as semi-auto to slip them through
  • All semi-automatic guns eventually become full automatic machine guns
  • Any child can convert a semi-automatic gun to full automatic with an emery board
  • Children order all types of guns over the internet everyday
  • Society is more peaceful when the populace is dominated over by the government
  • All governments are under the obligation to completely control its citizenry by force
  • The proper place for the citizenry is underneath the thumb of government
  • Totalitarianism is a wonderful path to nirvana
  • Communism is coming and we'll need your guns in order to get there
  • The government can't effectively oppress you if you keep and bear arms, so hand them over
  • Guns are responsible for 100% of the deaths in America
  • Gun violence is the #1, #2, and the #3 causes of death in the USA, Canada, and Switzerland
  • There is no reason that a person should ever own, possess, use, keep or bear arms
  • The Second Amendment was meant for the 1800s and the old west
  • The Second Amendment (and the rest of the Constitution) is outdated and needs revision
  • The Second Amendment applies to organized militias (which are obsolete), but not individuals
  • The Bill of Rights and the Constitution were written by slave owning Nazis
  • We won the past two elections, you now have no rights, get used to it
  • You'll be happier without your guns, trust us
  • You don't need guns now that BHO has descended from the Heavens
  • Hope & Change = Change the 2nd Amendment, & Hope for the best
  • If you take the guns of law abiding citizens, violent criminals will surrender their guns too
  • Owning a gun makes you impotent
  • Charlton Heston's hands are now cold and dead, so hand over the guns
 
In the end--

It boils down to so you have no way to fight back when they are loading you on the boxcar on its way to the gas chambers.

REMEMBER THAT---because that will be your eventual fate if we don't fight now.
 
It is really an agenda that is driven by fear and mis-education. While there are a lot of pro 2A folks out there just as many people run screaming at the sight of a firearm. This was posted recently and the logic of the anti shows exactly what we are up against. The anti's are well and good to ban weapons since they are primarily associated with violence. This goes hand in hand with the liberal agenda against hunting. The more ground they can gain on any front is a launching point for further agendas and encroachments.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/25712/30-days-gun-nation

(sorry for the length I tried to find a shorter clip but nada)
 
We didn't vote for them, therefore we must be punished.

As far as I can tell, that's pretty much it.
 
When one persons civil rights are violated by the government, we all suffer. Just how badly will we all suffer when the government violates the civil rights of millions?
 
"Semiautomatic or Military-style weapons simply have no use in urban areas".
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That is the crux argument of the anti-gun politicians and their allies. They will then create "facts" to support their case.

The Clinton AWB did not work. Why? It was not sufficiently broad and far reaching.

What does work mean? Disarming the people.

Hitler instated gun registration during the depression as a crime control measure after he was elected. The fact that he was elected at all says something about people and the times. One could say the same thing about BHO amd the times. Why would the Democrats choose the most liberal US senator and nominate him for president of the US? And then, why would the people vote for such a man?

If the fabled world depression hits, crime will rise. Folks, many folks, will be hurting, and the recent school shooting in Germany is all the justification they need. Politicans just pass laws. They can do little else and so far only the president stands over the military in the USA.

Like BHO's popularity, interest in strict gun control measures by the general public would falter after they see that the measures have little effect except limiting our freedom. The problem is you get stuck with a law and does incredible damage to the foundations of liberty in the USA.

As the police officer stated in court a recent deal on a TV show, as a police officer, ... Sir, you've seen a lot of things..... were you personally shocked when the woman exposed her breasts in public? Sir, I was shocked because she broke the law. Would be the same with gun control unfortunately.

Anyone ever notice how similar the words "Sir and Sire" are?
 
maybe :rolleyes:
because if Americans ever find were they put there back bone :eek: they dont want the people to be well armed in case of a revolution,:what:
 
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