What is the most Lethal 380 ACP ammo on the market

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Holy mother of all thread resurrections! I bought my wife a S&W Bodyguard just recently and my plan is to have her carry some Lehigh Defense loads as soon as her permit comes through. I like how it's not a hollowpoint so penetration is still as good as it can be and if their unique construction results in some extra damage that's a plus.

On another note, I watched "Homicide Hunter" with Detective Kenda a while back. He once worked a case where two victims were shot in the chest and never left the couch. The gun happened to be a lowly .380.
 
Have you got any new videos with newer ammo testing? These are all 2 or 3 years old. Pretty much all hollow points perform the same in a 380 but the newer extreme defense 65g round by Underwood/Lehigh appear to bring fresh technology to the mix, even with FBI spec gel.

Lucky Gunner has done some recent tests, I haven't seen Lehigh Defense or Precision One, maybe because those companies sell their ammunition directly to the public and Lucky Gunner doesn't carry those brands.

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/#380ACP
 
I notice they did not include Buffalo Bore, which according to other tests I've seen, are some of the hottest .380 loads. Ruger does not recommend "+P" loads, of which there are none officially, but Buffalo Bore calls their's +P. I practice with less expensive rounds, but after making sure Buffalo Bore worked in my LCP, that's what I carry.
 
Lethal or best stopping power?

Lethal - Magsafe if you can find them. We shot a couple of cantalops with this round. Did not exit the back and puree'd the interior like a blender.

One thru the eyeball or left or right temple and your problem should be perme\anantly solved
 
placement placement placement....those are the most lethal .380 rounds. It is all lethal. You just gotta hit it right. That is up to you not the ammo.
 
From left to right through 2 buckets of thick pectin (jello). Critical defense - handloads 90gr xtp (2.8gr b-eye) - Remington ultimate defense, and @ 102 gr cast under 2.4 gr bullseye, .... All three HP's went through both sideways buckets with no deformation except some jacket separation on the critical d the cast LRN went through all and disappeared into lead heaven presumably
 

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I would highly suggest a penetrating round over expansion in .380 acp I am loving the new Lehigh extreme penetrator that is the round for me just make sure it feeds consistently due to the odd profile of the projectile, it has ran 100% in a Kimber micro a Taurus TCP a bersa thunder a RM380 and 95% in a kahr cw380 (with 10k Round count to its name (not all Lehigh of course)
 
Been the subject of quite a few threads lately - finesse the load and ignore that other things are more important. We can recommend .380 loads until the cows come home but the reality is that shot placement, reliable operation, and affordability/accessibility are much more important. So much so they control actual results in the field - not a gel test conducted under academic conditions.

The proof of the pudding that .380 ammo is a moving target of potential performance is right out there on the market. Older loads were designed for older European guns with barrels up to 4", the new loads are built for the substantially shorter 3" pocket pistol market. If the change in barrel lenght can move the expansion window 4-6" in tests - which Shootingthebull seems to have demonstrated in his findings - then good luck dealing with variations of 40 feet in range, what seasonal clothing may be involved, and what the strike zone is on that individual.

Shot placement, barrier performance, and how the individual reacts to the wound vary considerably. It's been noted b a lot of battlefield casualty studies that a small wound in the upper arm from small arms fire might disable a soldier completely, vs multiple hits from .50BMG being unable to stop a soldier who goes on to win the fight against larger numerical odds.

It will make little difference what bullet you pick if the opponent is hyped up on crack and predisposed to injuring someone who just hurt them. .380 is then considered after action to be inadequate - as is 9mm, .40S&W, and even .44. When they won't go down, no gun is big enough and there's a rush to move to a larger platform. The reality is shot placement and how it's assimilated has a much larger affect than what Bullet of the Month is currently "best." Its actually dangerous to focus too closely on the market offerings - it takes away focus on training and mindset. Carrying "Critical Devastator Zombie Slayers" props up a fantasy notion of invincibility that will vanish like mist in the face of a thug who didn't drop on the first shot.

Better to pick an affordable round you can find on the shelf and will shoot in practice rather than hunting down niche rounds celebrated as the Death Dealer on the internet. I find that is exactly the problem I have buying ammo - all the hot players are an empty spot on the shelf and $5 a box higher. I grab the middle of the pack performer, stick to one brand across the board, and find it there every time I shop. That provides consistency in supply until I choose to dedicate a 1,000 round internet purchase of it. What good are the legendary bullets of the FBI, HRT, SEALS, or whoever if you can't get them cheaply enough and practice?

Inflating your ammo budget 15 to 25% just to get them means shooting 15 to 25% less ammo for some. How do you get better at shot placement by shooting and practicing less? Never have seen that to work out well.

It's been said of expert knife users - they can do very well with a 2" Case Trapper when their inexperienced opponent is even armed with a Kabar. SKILL is far more important than the incremental and arguable improvement in knock down power - which is it's own area of controversy that's been around for decades. Face it, handguns aren't known for having "knock down power." That takes large caliber rifles to accomplish, and the results aren't guaranteed. See the above on .50BMG.

Looking for the best lethal bullet is chasing a rabbit. Buy quality and practice, the real goal and best tool you have are your skills.
 
Good news.... we can now forget all the ballistics information, test gel blocks and further testing of how ammo reacts when fired into different objects. Just pick something off the shelf and bet your life on it. I'll pass...
 
That is a very dangerous thing to do with .380. You could probably get away with it with 9mm. There is a surprising number of .380 rounds that are worse than ball they just do not adequately penetrate. My advice with .380 is stick to ball if you are looking for a bargain or unwilling to do research, at least it will penetrate.
Been the subject of quite a few threads lately - finesse the load and ignore that other things are more important. We can recommend .380 loads until the cows come home but the reality is that shot placement, reliable operation, and affordability/accessibility are much more important. So much so they control actual results in the field - not a gel test conducted under academic conditions.

The proof of the pudding that .380 ammo is a moving target of potential performance is right out there on the market. Older loads were designed for older European guns with barrels up to 4", the new loads are built for the substantially shorter 3" pocket pistol market. If the change in barrel lenght can move the expansion window 4-6" in tests - which Shootingthebull seems to have demonstrated in his findings - then good luck dealing with variations of 40 feet in range, what seasonal clothing may be involved, and what the strike zone is on that individual.

Shot placement, barrier performance, and how the individual reacts to the wound vary considerably. It's been noted b a lot of battlefield casualty studies that a small wound in the upper arm from small arms fire might disable a soldier completely, vs multiple hits from .50BMG being unable to stop a soldier who goes on to win the fight against larger numerical odds.

It will make little difference what bullet you pick if the opponent is hyped up on crack and predisposed to injuring someone who just hurt them. .380 is then considered after action to be inadequate - as is 9mm, .40S&W, and even .44. When they won't go down, no gun is big enough and there's a rush to move to a larger platform. The reality is shot placement and how it's assimilated has a much larger affect than what Bullet of the Month is currently "best." Its actually dangerous to focus too closely on the market offerings - it takes away focus on training and mindset. Carrying "Critical Devastator Zombie Slayers" props up a fantasy notion of invincibility that will vanish like mist in the face of a thug who didn't drop on the first shot.

Better to pick an affordable round you can find on the shelf and will shoot in practice rather than hunting down niche rounds celebrated as the Death Dealer on the internet. I find that is exactly the problem I have buying ammo - all the hot players are an empty spot on the shelf and $5 a box higher. I grab the middle of the pack performer, stick to one brand across the board, and find it there every time I shop. That provides consistency in supply until I choose to dedicate a 1,000 round internet purchase of it. What good are the legendary bullets of the FBI, HRT, SEALS, or whoever if you can't get them cheaply enough and practice?

Inflating your ammo budget 15 to 25% just to get them means shooting 15 to 25% less ammo for some. How do you get better at shot placement by shooting and practicing less? Never have seen that to work out well.

It's been said of expert knife users - they can do very well with a 2" Case Trapper when their inexperienced opponent is even armed with a Kabar. SKILL is far more important than the incremental and arguable improvement in knock down power - which is it's own area of controversy that's been around for decades. Face it, handguns aren't known for having "knock down power." That takes large caliber rifles to accomplish, and the results aren't guaranteed. See the above on .50BMG.

Looking for the best lethal bullet is chasing a rabbit. Buy quality and practice, the real goal and best tool you have are your skills.
 
My advice with .380 is stick to ball if you are looking for a bargain or unwilling to do research, at least it will penetrate.

I love these Remington 88gr "High Terminal Performance cartridges, they're surprisingly some of the most consistent as far as penetration, with the shortest penetrating round penetrating 15.9" - that's damn good, and the spread between the shortest and deepest penetrating round is only 1.8" that's very consistent. They do not expand at all, so I guess the hollow point just serves to create drag

http://www.luckygunner.com/remington-380-acp-ammo-50-rounds-of-88-grain-jhp-ammunition#geltest
 
I carry 95 grain xtp chronographed at 1000ish fps from my LCP.
dont bother telling me not to carry reloads.
I trust mine more than store bought.
;)
 
From the tests I have seen I would expect the XTP at 1000 fps to expand much more than it does with factory Ammo which would probably reduce penetration significantly!
 
From the tests I have seen I would expect the XTP at 1000 fps to expand much more than it does with factory Ammo which would probably reduce penetration significantly!
At 10 feet it goes through 3 water filled milk jugs.
It aint scientifical
But its what i got
 
I would suggest that the OP disavow this thread.

We're talking here about the use of a particular cartridge for self-defense. When one changes the question from "how do I stay alive" in a self-defense situation to "how do I kill the other person" the potential for significant civil liability is opened up.

If deadly force must be employed, I hope the OP is asking it in terms of the minimum amount of force that can reliably be counted on to reliably neutralize the threat of death or bodily harm from the aggressor. Anything else invites litigation.
 
Most lethal is the one that's most well placed

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And being lethal has not much to do with stopping someone (but shot placement does!)

I'd rather practice with 1000 rounds and have only 10 shots than practice with 10 shots and have 1000 rounds! Skill with one's weapon is paramount. Just what one's weapon is loaded with is way down the list.

Deaf
 
And being lethal has not much to do with stopping someone (but shot placement does!)

I'd rather practice with 1000 rounds and have only 10 shots than practice with 10 shots and have 1000 rounds! Skill with one's weapon is paramount. Just what one's weapon is loaded with is way down the list.

Deaf
Are you familiar with how and why the 45 acp was created? The ammo in the handgun is critical in many cases.... a well placed series of shots should be the obvious for self defense.
 
I would suggest that the OP disavow this thread.

We're talking here about the use of a particular cartridge for self-defense. When one changes the question from "how do I stay alive" in a self-defense situation to "how do I kill the other person" the potential for significant civil liability is opened up.

If deadly force must be employed, I hope the OP is asking it in terms of the minimum amount of force that can reliably be counted on to reliably neutralize the threat of death or bodily harm from the aggressor. Anything else invites litigation.
If you don't like the question, maybe you can start a new thread with the question you want?
 
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