What is the most tactical handgun today?
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Brian Williams
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That depends on what Strategy of Strategies you are using
This Strategy
Swiming under water in a silt filled delta. I want a 686 or mabeee a 646, 40 S&W with moonclips.....
That Strategy
Just plain dirt and muck and other junk in the world, I want a Tuner Tuned Colt NRM series 70 with a one piece GI trigger, along with the rest of the MIM junk removed and replaced by GI parts.
For the Strategy of EDC
I want a 3" 13 or 586
Or mabeeeee a S&W 940
If you want Tactical Save your money cause a "TACTICOOL" Handgun is gonna cost you
This Strategy
Swiming under water in a silt filled delta. I want a 686 or mabeee a 646, 40 S&W with moonclips.....
That Strategy
Just plain dirt and muck and other junk in the world, I want a Tuner Tuned Colt NRM series 70 with a one piece GI trigger, along with the rest of the MIM junk removed and replaced by GI parts.
For the Strategy of EDC
I want a 3" 13 or 586
Or mabeeeee a S&W 940
If you want Tactical Save your money cause a "TACTICOOL" Handgun is gonna cost you
CZ52GUY
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You'll probably need to define tactical...or maybe you want us to do that?
If "tactical" is based on ability to be used for self-defense, that may be one answer...if it's a lot of "bling-bling" gadgets to be attached, that may be another.
When I think tactical for self-defense, I think of the piece I'm most comfortable shooting and operating. Right now that's a toss up between my G22 and my CZ-75B, with my 1911 gaining ground.
For "tactical marketing" purposes, the presence of an accessory rail to attach light and/or laser, availability of good night sights...maybe a "Blackhawk-style drop leg holster" that will allow for use with light attached?
Now there can be practical benefit to an attached light, laser, and certainly night sights...to a great degree, it's how and when they are used by whom, and for what purpose?
Safe shooting,
CZ52'
If "tactical" is based on ability to be used for self-defense, that may be one answer...if it's a lot of "bling-bling" gadgets to be attached, that may be another.
When I think tactical for self-defense, I think of the piece I'm most comfortable shooting and operating. Right now that's a toss up between my G22 and my CZ-75B, with my 1911 gaining ground.
For "tactical marketing" purposes, the presence of an accessory rail to attach light and/or laser, availability of good night sights...maybe a "Blackhawk-style drop leg holster" that will allow for use with light attached?
Now there can be practical benefit to an attached light, laser, and certainly night sights...to a great degree, it's how and when they are used by whom, and for what purpose?
Safe shooting,
CZ52'
Black Snowman
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I'd say the one that gets you to your rifle which, if you knew there was trouble, you should have had in the 1st place.
I'd define the "most tactical" as the best suited for it's intended use. That puts just about every handgun made in the "most tactical" roll at one point or another. They just don't come up with the features at random.
For instance, the Desert Eagle was developed for tanker crews who couldn't manipluate even a bull-pup or folding stocked rifle in their cabins. As a carry gun it's way too big and heavy, but for sitting in a tank it's great because it gives you the firepower of 9+1 .357 Mag rounds and comes back on target very quickly.
The CZ P-01 was build for police use where they wanted extreme reliability combined with light weight, easy handling, and versatility in a 9mm. It makes a great CCW or duty gun.
If you have no choice but to use a pistol as an offensive weapon then you have guns like the extremely high-end 1911s, HK Mk 23 Mod 0 "SOCOM" and other "high speed low drag" items made to be used by the worlds elite with extensive training and practice. To "Joe Average" these guns seem to be extremely expensive toys not providing any great advantage as less "tactical" firearms and are often to large or heavy to be very usable for anything but range use.
So, the definition of Tactical is the 1st thing you have to establish. The CZ 75B Tactical has an olive drab frame and comes with a knife but is otherwise identical to the standard CZ 75B. Tactical is most often a marketting scheme. So, I guess the most tactical gun, is the one the ads make you want to buy the most
I'd define the "most tactical" as the best suited for it's intended use. That puts just about every handgun made in the "most tactical" roll at one point or another. They just don't come up with the features at random.
For instance, the Desert Eagle was developed for tanker crews who couldn't manipluate even a bull-pup or folding stocked rifle in their cabins. As a carry gun it's way too big and heavy, but for sitting in a tank it's great because it gives you the firepower of 9+1 .357 Mag rounds and comes back on target very quickly.
The CZ P-01 was build for police use where they wanted extreme reliability combined with light weight, easy handling, and versatility in a 9mm. It makes a great CCW or duty gun.
If you have no choice but to use a pistol as an offensive weapon then you have guns like the extremely high-end 1911s, HK Mk 23 Mod 0 "SOCOM" and other "high speed low drag" items made to be used by the worlds elite with extensive training and practice. To "Joe Average" these guns seem to be extremely expensive toys not providing any great advantage as less "tactical" firearms and are often to large or heavy to be very usable for anything but range use.
So, the definition of Tactical is the 1st thing you have to establish. The CZ 75B Tactical has an olive drab frame and comes with a knife but is otherwise identical to the standard CZ 75B. Tactical is most often a marketting scheme. So, I guess the most tactical gun, is the one the ads make you want to buy the most
tactical is not about being cool.....
it is about staying alive!!
The perfect handgun for every one and every scenerio does not exist, and for combat they all lack power....
But the prerequisites, in my book, would be reliability, power, that is fit you and you shot it well and would carry it!
The tactical pistol is not a BBQ gun for fancy dress, or an excuse to stick out in a crowd by wearing your mall ninja outfit.
The workable, durable guns with a history of being chosen by elite units are a good place to start.
Power means as much thump as you can control...and the .45 acp dominates there. 1911's(my choice) rule, but some like the Sig or the Glock. The USP is not right for me, but if it works for you...use it! If I could not have a 1911, I believe I'd chose a Sig 245.
Nine's are acceptable, better than nothing, the ammo is widely available(though not too many of use are gonna be packing heat in some far flung country), and some find comfort in a pistol that has alot of rounds on board.
The P-35, Sig, Glock probably will take the awards here. Some will like the(aaarrrggg!!!) Beretta. But I'd rather have the big heavy bullet than a boat load of medium bore rounds, expecially if we are talking ball ammo.
Certainly cannot leave wheelguns outta the mix. For they are pretty reliable and favored by many...I'll let those many discuss revolver's, cause my experience with them is limited(I like the Jay frames best, followed by Ruger DA's). The are bulky and somewhat limited in firepower, but if you plan on hitting more than you miss, 5 or 6 should really do fine. But mostly yhe revolver is a specialty tool. The big magnums are for bigger stuff thatn man, the litlle snubbies are hard to control and shoot accurately, but easy to carry, and the medium frame .357's just do not cut the mustard for me(no matter how you slice it, dice it and sugar coat it, it is still a guzzied up .38!)
I have tried all of these and more, but return time and a again to the 1911 as the sweetest real world battle pistol, reliable, proven, flat, with lots of thump. It can be customized to fit you and your preferences.
We all make our choices is what we carry(if we can), so pick what is right for you..rather than what is percieved as cool. The opposition is not gonna say, 'my, what a cool gun you have', and they should not see it until lead is out the barrel anyway.
Jercamp45
it is about staying alive!!
The perfect handgun for every one and every scenerio does not exist, and for combat they all lack power....
But the prerequisites, in my book, would be reliability, power, that is fit you and you shot it well and would carry it!
The tactical pistol is not a BBQ gun for fancy dress, or an excuse to stick out in a crowd by wearing your mall ninja outfit.
The workable, durable guns with a history of being chosen by elite units are a good place to start.
Power means as much thump as you can control...and the .45 acp dominates there. 1911's(my choice) rule, but some like the Sig or the Glock. The USP is not right for me, but if it works for you...use it! If I could not have a 1911, I believe I'd chose a Sig 245.
Nine's are acceptable, better than nothing, the ammo is widely available(though not too many of use are gonna be packing heat in some far flung country), and some find comfort in a pistol that has alot of rounds on board.
The P-35, Sig, Glock probably will take the awards here. Some will like the(aaarrrggg!!!) Beretta. But I'd rather have the big heavy bullet than a boat load of medium bore rounds, expecially if we are talking ball ammo.
Certainly cannot leave wheelguns outta the mix. For they are pretty reliable and favored by many...I'll let those many discuss revolver's, cause my experience with them is limited(I like the Jay frames best, followed by Ruger DA's). The are bulky and somewhat limited in firepower, but if you plan on hitting more than you miss, 5 or 6 should really do fine. But mostly yhe revolver is a specialty tool. The big magnums are for bigger stuff thatn man, the litlle snubbies are hard to control and shoot accurately, but easy to carry, and the medium frame .357's just do not cut the mustard for me(no matter how you slice it, dice it and sugar coat it, it is still a guzzied up .38!)
I have tried all of these and more, but return time and a again to the 1911 as the sweetest real world battle pistol, reliable, proven, flat, with lots of thump. It can be customized to fit you and your preferences.
We all make our choices is what we carry(if we can), so pick what is right for you..rather than what is percieved as cool. The opposition is not gonna say, 'my, what a cool gun you have', and they should not see it until lead is out the barrel anyway.
Jercamp45
Mannlicher
Member
Tactical? golly that word makes my gag reflex kick in.
Devonai
Member
Tactic, n, a particular expedient.
- The New American Webster Handy College Dictionary
A tactical handgun, therefore, is one that makes delivering ranged, potentially lethal force particularly expedient. Evaluate your conditions and your ability and you arrive at an answer.
In other words, carry the largest handgun in the largest caliber you can reasonably perform with in your operational environment.
- The New American Webster Handy College Dictionary
A tactical handgun, therefore, is one that makes delivering ranged, potentially lethal force particularly expedient. Evaluate your conditions and your ability and you arrive at an answer.
In other words, carry the largest handgun in the largest caliber you can reasonably perform with in your operational environment.
1911Tuner
Moderator Emeritus
The Ultimate
The ultimate tactical handgun to date is the one that you can shoot well, and that you have complete confidence in, and that you feel that you can use to handle any reasonable situation that you are likely to encounter.
I know men who carry single-action revolvers that few would relish facing down. I know a young lady who carries a Taurus .22 rimfire revolver.
She is absolutely wicked at 20 paces, and has been since she was 15.
If she can see your eyes, she can hit one of them about 3/4ths of a heartbeat after she puts her hand on the gun.
Find a pistol or revolver that suits YOU and practice with it until an adversary who would do you harm is in greater danger from you than you
are from him. If that turns out to be a Model 10 Smith & Wesson, go with it.
Therein lies the ultimate tactical sidearm. There is no other.
Cheers!
Tuner
The ultimate tactical handgun to date is the one that you can shoot well, and that you have complete confidence in, and that you feel that you can use to handle any reasonable situation that you are likely to encounter.
I know men who carry single-action revolvers that few would relish facing down. I know a young lady who carries a Taurus .22 rimfire revolver.
She is absolutely wicked at 20 paces, and has been since she was 15.
If she can see your eyes, she can hit one of them about 3/4ths of a heartbeat after she puts her hand on the gun.
Find a pistol or revolver that suits YOU and practice with it until an adversary who would do you harm is in greater danger from you than you
are from him. If that turns out to be a Model 10 Smith & Wesson, go with it.
Therein lies the ultimate tactical sidearm. There is no other.
Cheers!
Tuner
cratz2
Member
Thats my carry gun.
And, I think, the answer clipse was going for in the first place.
Grunt
Member
God, I hate that damned buzz-word. It's about as annoying as "Saturday night special", "reasonable gun control" and "for the children". 
Longbow
Member
most tactical!?
Some S&W auto's. It even say's it on the slide.
Some S&W auto's. It even say's it on the slide.
Tamara
Senior Member
Whatever Skunkabilly is packing these days.
russlate
Member
Gots to be tactical... shoot off 18 or 19 rounds, do a speed reload, and keep on hosin' da foes!
( Perish the thought that if you don't hit with the first or second shots you might not be around to make a third shot.
Why if you start thinking that way, a guy packing a Single Action Army or Ruger Blackhawk who can actually shoot the darned thing would be almost as dangerous as someone with a Glock! Nah, no way...
Why that would make the man more important than the tool he carries - that old coot who shoots an old model 10 Smith and hits everything he points it at inside 25 yards couldn't possibly be a threat to someone carrying a super duper whatsis like you have. Outrageous!
What was the question again? )
( Perish the thought that if you don't hit with the first or second shots you might not be around to make a third shot.
Why if you start thinking that way, a guy packing a Single Action Army or Ruger Blackhawk who can actually shoot the darned thing would be almost as dangerous as someone with a Glock! Nah, no way...
Why that would make the man more important than the tool he carries - that old coot who shoots an old model 10 Smith and hits everything he points it at inside 25 yards couldn't possibly be a threat to someone carrying a super duper whatsis like you have. Outrageous!
What was the question again? )
Grunt
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Tactical: The current buzzword in voage with air softers, mall ninjas and other wannabe-operators used to describe the latest cool-looking (though not necessarily useful) guns and gadgets that Hollywood decided they needed in their latest movie to make the good guy look super-dooper cool.
Does that define "tactical" for you?:
Does that define "tactical" for you?:
Mute
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Silly man. The one that is blackest and has the most carbon fiber of course.
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