What is your last straw?

[Deathrider1579]

So, what will you do this month to reinforce the last line of RKBA trenches?

Good question, I think ill buy another gun, some ammo, and practice!

Any sujestions? I really have a hard time knowing how to help ensure my children whome I don't have yet will be able to shoot and buy ammo and guns at the very least as freely as I have and hopfuly even easier.

-DR

 

[M.E.Eldridge]

Don't know about the rest of you guys, bu I'd rather die in defense of my freedoms than live to see them stripped from me.

 

[Fred Fuller]

My last straw is out in the front yard somewhere, but not to worry- one of the dogs will track it in before too long.

Seriously, the battle lines have shifted a lot from confrontation to education. As long as we who are shooters adopt the strategy of 'each one teach one' we will grow our numbers. Current events are doing more and more to demonstrate that the authorities cannot provide protection for the citizenry at large, and more and more people are deciding to take their personal and family security into their own hands. Find those people, help educate and train them to be good, responsible firearms owners. Then watch what happens when grasseating politicos try and legislate away their rights to their newfound security.

I am encouraged by the growing trend among state governments to legalize self protection and to recognize the documentation issued by other states. That as much as anything marks a sea change in attitudes over the last ten years or so IMO.

lpl/nc

 

[Kodiaz]

It isn't about the guns. They are a symbol the guns are our ability to gaurantee our freedom. Our rights/freedoms are given to us by God our constitution recognizes these rights. The taking of guns or your house (for a mall) isn't what matters, what matters is that they are taking your freedom.


Our freedom and the freedom of all Americans comes from the barrels of our guns. When we no longer have our guns the govt. will be able to take all of our freedoms.


As for me I live in a C.R.A. (community redevolopment area) in Palm Beach County and the last straw for me will be when they start taking the homes of those people in Riviera Beach. If they can take their homes then they can surely take mine. If even one of those people puts up a fight I'll be there.


Our guns keep the govt. in check. When the govt. starts to forget that, they will have to be reminded.

 

[RaetherEnt]

It will be a LONG time before the government starts knocking on doors to take away guns. Just like has been said before in this thread, the strategy is to little by little take away gun freedoms to the point that when confiscation is a viable option, the number of guns that will have to be taken away will be few, rather than over 100 million. In my opinion, the last straw will be when Diane Frankensteine attempts her assualt weapons ban again...

I've said it before, :banghead: and I'll say it again, :banghead:. When that time comes, its time for a million gun march on Washington.

 

[Standing Wolf]

Sad to say, I doubt there's much fight left in Americans.

We're too accustomed to choosing the lesser of two evils—or the greater, as the case may be.

 

[KriegHund]

Ok,
I am sure I am going to get flamed for this question but here we go anyway.

I have been a lurker / fan of Oleg for about 3 years now, I have much enjoyed printing out and putting up his posters around my dorm room in college and now my office at work. And talking to people who come in and say “holy crap”.
-DR

You cant fight back if your dead...

Honestly, i think my last straw would be involve three conditions.

1. I'm getting older, and have lived for as long as i'm content with.
2. I'm tired of being trampled on by the government.
3. I've got no family/nothing to live for, or my family can support itself without me.

Theres no point in throwing your life away. I plan on living till at least 40 before i do naything drastic. Secondly, therer has to be a good reason to throw my life away. Third, well, thats pretty self explainitory.

There are times in a mans life when he must give in, or he must fight back. I plan on fighting back, if i need too.

That would be a good death, to die for liberty and freedom. Not that there really is a 'good' death, but at least i could die with a clear conscience. It is better to have tried and failed then to never try at all.

I'll boil it down to this basic thing-

Im too young to die yet. When im no longer too young to die...something will happen if it needs to.

 

[depicts]

They DID come for my guns!

I was part of the "take them from my cold dead hands" group.

Then my CLEO denied my renewal of my LTC. In a letter to me, he requested I turn in my firearms immediatly.

My Son, who is on the local police department, came to my house to get my guns, just doing his job.

What do I do? Do I kill my son for my beliefs? Do I turn in my weapons? Do I fight for my rights?

When the time comes for you to turn in your guns, it may not be as easy as you think to fight for your principles. Like someone said, when the last straw falls, the camel dies. Someone else said, he wanted to live to be at least 40. From where I sit here at 56, 40 is a baby. You won't want to die then either.

Fight every day. Write letters. Tell people you love to shoot. Invite them along. Support local gun related businesses. Sometimes pay a little more for a box of shells so a local gunshop stays in business instead of closing and shopping at Wal-Mart. Vote. Tell your politicians that you vote, tell them why, and what you want. For every two or three posts you make on these boards, write a short note to your congressman or senator. Write to your local and state reps, write to your local newspapers and radio and TV shows.

The fight is on friends. Time to get in it is now!

Bill

 

[Old Dog]

Sad to say, I doubt there's much fight left in Americans.

We're too accustomed to choosing the lesser of two evils—or the greater, as the case may be.

Can't agree. First, most Americans have not had to fight for anything. Quality of life in this country for most folks is too high. Even as I drive through the "poor" sections of town, I still see the lights from the color televisions flickering through the windows, and note the cars parked out front. In times gone by, the poor could not afford automobiles, microwave ovens, color TVs and phone service -- and they were mainly worried about heating their abodes so their children lived through another winter's nights and procuring milk and cereal for the babies ... Life expectancy is this country is high, most don't lack for a bed or at least one hot meal a day; employment is available for those who actually want to work. Finally, most Americans (at least the last few generations) have grown up not knowing hunger, grew up knowing that if it came down to it, a job was available at McDonald's, and certainly never knew any threat to life (be it human, disease or having to work a dangerous occupation) ...

It's not that Americans are accustomed to choosing anything -- it's that most Americans have not had to make any hard choices.

You won't know how Americans will fight until they realize that they have to fight. I personally have been encouraged, because I was able to accompany of large group of young Gen-Xers, whom I previously thought of as soft and untested, through a pretty doggone arduous deployment to the Middle East -- and you know what? These kids did great. They're smart, capable of hard work, and will certainly fight well -- IF led well.

This is the problem. It's not that Americans have lost the will to fight. It's that we've not led them well.

 

[ny32182]

Without having read the whole thread, allow me to post some facts, bleak as they may be:

1) If the feds are ever knocking on your door asking for your guns, the fight is already over.
2) Shooting a few cops in such a situation would only serve to bring your life to a violent and sudden halt, and promote the agenda of the anti's.
3) Speaking of an armed standoff with the feds as if its a good idea only serves to detract from the credibility of this website, its goals, and its membership.
4) The only way to win is through political change (hint... the repubs and Democrats are the same party), educating as many people as possible, and never letting the situation get to the point where the feds are at your door.

Personally I see the super-liberal areas continuing to become even more so (CA, NY, etc), and the reasonable people from those areas will steadily move to more "conservative" states. The minority who didn't win the presidential election will continue to become more and more displeased. Witness the libs now.

Education is the key.

 

[cabinboy]

+10 re education and political action.

For my two cents, education itself splits into at least two audiences:

1) Current adults who are neutral or slight positives on RKBA

2) Kids, old enough to learn the four rules of gun safety and to hold a .22 rifle (or bigger)

After we have each tagged all of groups 1 and 2 that we can get our hands on, then and only then should we turn to the RKBA-negative folks who are merely propagandized and thus can be reclaimed. The hardcore anti's are lost and should not absorb our limited resources.

We each should be sowing seeds.....let's just make sure we do our sowing where the ground is at least passably fertile.

In the meantime, semper paratus and don't keep all of your eggs in one basket.

 

[Chrontius]

Study memetics - how ideas spread, change over time.

Then apply those lessons generously.

If we all do this... nothing will happen in your lifetime, unless it's shall-issue CCW.

So, what will you do this month to reinforce the last line of RKBA trenches?

As Lee Lapin said, 'each one teach one'. Except I've already taught three. (ok, taught two and gotten one back to the range again) I've got another two or four I intend to teach.

Exponential growth, friends, exponential growth.

 

[mmike87]

One other note. The war may be on already, we just don't see every skirmish. At this time, it is the war of ideas, influence and dibs on educating the kids.

Home schooling was a stretegic move to negate the public school brainwashing.

1986 reversal of mail order ban was a big victory.

Even with regulations, CCW in most states is a victory.


We can do a lot towards victory that doesn't involve catching individual enemies and killing them with prejudice reserved for gutterscum. Most of the abuses we suffer are institutional and would continue despite elimination of a few hominids employed by those institutions. I don't think we will see a lear defeat or vistory, but we do and will continue to see a trend in our favor.

That's an important note about the kids education. My wife and I keep close tabs on what my kids is taught. So far, we're satisfied.

Although my son is only 6 next month, he is already firmly into the right way of thinking. Case in point, I was browing one of my favority gun forums while eating breakfast this morning. My son comes up and asks me:

"Daddy, why don't you bring your guns to work with you?"
"Well, I am not allowed to, " I replied.
"But, what if a bad guy trys to kill you while you're at work?"
"Andrew, you are wise beyond your years!"

Mission accomplished.

 

[Brother in Arms]

Rockriv1 qoute:

"Free people will never remain free if they are not willing to fight, if need be, to protect their freedom"

Perhaps you should take the advice of your own qoute.
massachusetts should be ashamed of itself, being the birthplace of the American Revolution only to turn into one of the most tyrannical states in the us. Why should they come for YOUR .50 BMG rifle! IT IS YOUR PROPERTY! It is your right to own it and your Responsability to keep it.

They may take my life but they will never taking my freedoms away. They try everyday and in many different ways. Not by just disarming people but desensatizing them to government interferance. So that we and our children will be used to it,so that they can have there way. How would you like it if a la was was passed saying that there is a low birthrate in your state and they would be sending a represenative to sleep with your wife, or your daughter??? You wouldn't allow it, or would you? We know there is not a low birthrate in this country. Just as we know there is no need for guncontrol. And yet we let them have our guns. And when we have no arms for defense the governmet will be able to have its way with everybody. It doesn't matter why they say they want our weapons, crime ,safety, terrorism, the public good, its only because they intend to control us all.

There is one thing we must never give up the right to say, NO I WONT!!

The only way to do that, is to never give up our Firearms. Without weapons you can't say NO.

Brother in Arms

 

[loud-mouth shnook]

I believe I remember col. Cooper...

...quoting George Washington:






"Firearms are liberty's teeth."






Sums it up for me, personally.

 

[ReadyontheRight]

To preclude any last straw....

How about everyone reading this do their best to take a non-gun-owner out shooting sometime in 2006?

-Teach them the 4 rules
-Make them recite the 4 rules back to you
-Introduce to range rules and range etiquitte
-Start small - short range, small calibers
-Let them shoot some of your big dog calibers
-Get your friend (and yourself) signed up for some sort of shooting competition in 2006.

As gun rights advocates, we should all be on the offensive. The antis are vocal, but the fence-sitters are numerous.

And we all have something the antis don't have -- a loud, fun, compelling, challenging sport that protects your family and is specifically protected by the U.S. Consitution. PLUS - Almost ANYONE can learn to shoot.

I knew NOTHING about "assault weapons" when the AWB ban was imposed. Had I known anything about guns other than my deer and bird guns, or had a forum like this, I would have joined the fight.

In 2006, share your sport and get a friend to join our fight for our basic human rights.

 

[4RHeritage]

Organize.

Politically and tactically.

One man alone cannot stand against even the local PD.

But if some of your neighbours are with you, you can make the PD retreat.

 

[Meplat]

I will probably try as many work-arounds as possible. I will also have multiple weapons caches.

Covered

If they serial # ammunition or otherwise impede its production and purchase, I will learn to cast bullets, stockpile primers and powder.

Covered.

If they ban semiauto rifles, they will have to come and take mine.

Yep.

If they ban semiauto handguns, I will hide mine. I don't really like mine all that much (I trust revolvers much more), but I would rather bury them in BFE and get them back later on than give them to antis to chop up.

Nothing at all against wheel guns. Prefer 1911's though. If banned, see above.

If they ban revolvers/singleshot handguns, they will have to come and take mine. If they ban muzzleloaders, they will have to come and take mine. If they ban bolt-actions, I don't have any. If they ban lever guns, they will have to come and take mine. I just bought 3 model 94 winnies for collectors purposes, but the business end of those will work just fine if needed. If they ban .50BMG's, I don't have one. but I want one.

Once again, see above.

This is enough. It's gone too far. Alaska and Vermont have the best laws and all the remaining states must change to emulate their laws so all are the same across the US. This includes DC, Chicago, NY and California.

I am a former Alaska resident, and before singing their praises too loudly, I'd check on just what your likelyhood of buying a semi-automatic pistol is there.

 

[Meplat]

Last year when Massachusetts started a Bill that would ban all 50 caliber BMGs I went balistic. I was pissed and I vowed that they'd never get mine. I had your same mentality. "Let them come and get it!".

That was pretty much the consensus of a sunstantial minority of the Colonists at one time. Most wanted to appease the Throne across the sea. A few refused to lay down for "superior forces".

They come to my door and demand my gun. I say no, slam the door in the cops face and prepare for the onslaught. The cops bring in rienforcements. They launch tear gas into my house, (I have a gas mask, so I could hold out a while) they break down the door and a firefight breaks out. I get one or two coming in the door and maybe the continue the charge or fall back. Sooner or later they will get me either with another charge or by a sniper who's waiting for me to cross the window. Either way I'm dead. My very large exended family now lives with the fact that their Son, Son in law, nephew, cousin etc was a mental case gun nut. !".

In most instances, they are not going to "just show up at your door" without having done so to others in your area. Sure, you COULD be the first house on their checklist, then again, the odds are not in favor of that happening. When confiscations start, THEN is the time to head for the great outdoors. If places like the Alamo, Ruby Ridge, et al have taught anything, it's that defending a fortress only works well against those with limited resources.

Hummmmm, not very promising. At worst your dead. Short of that your arrested and may get jail time. How far am I willing to go for my guns.

In my case, quite a long way.

I don't have an answer yet.

I can't say that. Come to take them, and I have my answer ready.

But as of right now I'm not at the point in my life where I'm ready to die for them.

Ready? No. Willing? If necessary

 

[only1asterisk]

How about everyone reading this do their best to take a non-gun-owner out shooting sometime in 2006?

One? My goal this year is one a week! Find a receptive person and make a couple hours to get them on the range. It takes a bit of time, but it's worth it. The way I look at it, I'm not just doing them a favor, I'm doing it for my family. It's like adding sand to the hourglass.

David

 

[TechBrute]

If anything were to happen to my family, I'd love to run over a couple select politicians with a Toyota Prius, the icon of political correctness. Until then, I have too much to lose.

 

[Wllm. Legrand]

Let's make sure we're asking the right questions here. Gun confiscation? What if you have no place to shoot? What if the ammo is regulated like tobacco? This is not just a "gun" issue here. There is a philosophical, economic, and political tug-of-war going on in this country that transcends the question of 'what if they come for my guns?'.

The real battlezone is between the ears of the populace. If history teaches us anything it is that people an become used to anything. Not everyone, but the society as a aggregate. (Stick with me..I'm going somewhere with this.)

By this I mean that things that are commonplace now would have once been thought inconceivable. For example, open homosexuality. The "zero tolerance" attitudes in govenment schools (reference guns or violence in any way and the normal male kid is in trouble). Open profanity on the airwaves (I know I sound like a prude, but I don't even like the word "ass" mentioned in my media). I could go on. The point is that people have become "acculturated" to a different way of looking at things.

And this is the point: Unless a significant portion of the population is simpatico with your perspective, values, plans of action or change, and vision, you will be exorcised if you go against the flow. Now that significant portion (the critical mass of the population that shares an affinity to your views) may vary, but that is the difference between a "movement" or bloodless revolution..and a percieved lone-wolf nutcase.

This society has been changed, I believe, by design. Nicoli Gramschi, the Frankfurt School advocates, world communism, the NWO (a loose association of business, educational, financial players on a high level), etc., all play or have played a role in the emasculation of this society. While in physics we can have "probablity events", there is not much that happens in the human sphere ON A LARGE SCALE (!) that is not by design.

The Digital Angel inroads, subtle control of media to mold public opinion, the growing acceptance of military as police, and the rise of a true Police State (compliance with authority demanded now as never before), etc., mark the beginning of the time when these discussions will be thought of as quaint.

The battle is not in the future; it is now.

Despite the grudging acceptance of CCW, the "gun culture" is being marginalized; in the media, in major institutions such as government schools, and elsewhere. Even worse, again in my opinion, is that so much of the gun culture--such as here on this board and others-- is in bed with the State, philosophically and emotionally. They cathect to the State, because of either prior military service or "law enforcement" experience, or just suffer the prevelant confusion of The State with their country. (I've made this point before; they are NOT the same.) These will be people that will side with the State when push comes to shove, barring some tragedy, State-inflicted, that hits them personally.

Those of us see where this is heading realize that the Undiscovered Country is not going to be a good place to be. Nor can you expect politicians of the two wings of the State Party to be on the side of freedom.

Read Molon Labe by Boston T. Party...He at least sounds like he's thought this through, albeit in a theoretical sense.

Bottom line: The line has already been crossed. Sides for the future are already forming. Read Solzinetzin (sp?)..."How we burned in the camps, etc....".

 

[fjolnirsson]

Meplat,

I am a former Alaska resident, and before singing their praises too loudly, I'd check on just what your likelyhood of buying a semi-automatic pistol is there.

Could you elaborate a little?

 

[stevelyn]

I am a former Alaska resident, and before singing their praises too loudly, I'd check on just what your likelyhood of buying a semi-automatic pistol is there.

Would you kindly explain what you're trying to convey?

 

[carlrodd]

One? My goal this year is one a week! Find a receptive person and make a couple hours to get them on the range. It takes a bit of time, but it's worth it. The way I look at it, I'm not just doing them a favor, I'm doing it for my family. It's like adding sand to the hourglass.

David

yes. took my sister's boyfriend and a good friend of mine out this past weekend....both newbies...they loved it. they fired a garand, walther .22, glock27? i think, and 3 inch slugs out of a 12 gauge. we went with a friend who is a former avid collecter and now has a new fire lit under his a**. my british girlfriend agreed to go shoot when she visits over valentine's day, and my delicate sister said she'd go with us. i'm on a roll.