What is your specialty in the (RKBA) Army?

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Turning a person who is not a gun owner into a politically active gun owner requires several steps:

  1. They must be aware of the opportunity to own guns.
  2. They must perceive gun ownership as a benefit to themselves
  3. They must have an opportunity to try shooting
  4. They must view owning guns as more beneficial than borrowing or renting them
  5. They must understand the threats to their continued gun ownership
  6. They must have a way to counter those threats by personal action

In this thread, we are going to sum up what can be done to accomplish each of those goals. I would then like you to reflect on what you personally can do from the list of tasks. Once you know, go forth and do it.
 
I'll start as someone who was swayed by this, about 10 years ago.

1. They must be aware of the opportunity to own guns.

I think everyone knows that guns are available to some degree. I'm not sure how to speak to this. Even when I was an anti, I knew you could get guns.

2. They must perceive gun ownership as a benefit to themselves
Even as an anti, I could see the benefit of guns. The police, the military had need of weapons. I was under the anti's spell of "guns require years and years of training and you as a normal peon could never hope to master one on your own" mindset.

This is the mindset that I think gets ignored by pro-RKBA folks. We like to think of ourselves as an elite bunch of folks, a secret society of sorts.

3. They must have an opportunity to try shooting
This is the best way to counter the mindset of #2. Shooting is NOT like playing chess, playing conciertos on the violin, or rocking out on A guitar. Anyone can learn the basics in an afternoon, and be shooting very well.
Granted, it takes practice and dedication to be an awesome shooter, but it's a skill that almost anyone can pick up after a bit of practice; more like driving a car or riding a bicycle. After people realise that guns are not some super difficult thing; many attitudes change very quickly.

When I shot for the first time, 95% of my shots were within my target silohuette at 10 yards. By the end of the afternoon, at 5 yards, I was almost fully within the "10" ring.
After 3 months of practice, I could shoot 90% of my shots in the 10 ring at 15 yards.
4. They must view owning guns as more beneficial than borrowing or renting them
I'd reword this, for my experience personally, as "They must view owning guns as worth teh possible risks".

Again, this came with me with time. It never really hit me until my now-wife moved in with me; and I got to see the world through her eyes. She was conditioned to see threats and danger, where I' was living in condition white up until that point.

5. They must understand the threats to their continued gun ownership
Once you realise that guns aren't a horrible thing requiring years and years of practice, and you realise that they have uses for the average-every day joe and jane, the rest of the bricks fall down; and at least to me, this became obvious.

As someone that supported the AWB when it first came about, and realised it's stupidity when it finally sunsetted, nothing special happened to me at this point. Knowing the other parts of the puzzle made this one obvious.
6. They must have a way to counter those threats by personal action
This is what I'm working on now. I volunteer with groups that want to hear about RKBA. I've volunteered with a few women's shelters, as well as some local Pink Pistols groups
 
What was your specialty in the (RKBA) Army?

"Was" ????? Did something happen and I missed the battle? :confused:

For me, ongoing - not was, educator of sorts and sharer of truth. Do it to some extent everyday for the most part.
 
I think everyone knows that guns are available to some degree. I'm not sure how to speak to this. Even when I was an anti, I knew you could get guns.

You might be surprised... I'm temporarily in school in Connecticut, and there are a lot of people here who think that federal law requires you to go through a bunch of hoops and get a license to buy any kind of gun. Some of them also think handguns are completely illegal (again, by federal law).
 
I'm active duty and a college student, and I shoot, for the most part, weekly. I like to shoot with other people, especially people who have never shot before. I've yet to see a person have a bad time shooting. So, I try to take a friend or acquaintance of mine, as often a there is someone willing to go.

My strategy is to make sure they understand the competency level required, need for safety, and that they see the good competency of other firearms owners around them. People who ignore safety don't last long at my range, so this is a given. They see how much fun it can be... and on the way out the door, after they've had a blast, it's easier to discuss the pro's, and the need to defend them.

And I took an anti to the range under the premise that once she tried shooting, if she did not like it, I would respect her views... but she had to "give it a shot" first. She had a good time, wasn't particularly interested in owning a gun, but had a MUCH higher opinion of gun owners in general (we had an older gentleman offer to let us shoot his collection, he tried mine, he emphasized safe handling). I bet she'd go shooting again if I asked, and that's a small victory.
 
One word. Bears.

Seriously. The threat of dangerous game has an enormous impact on how people view firearms. It's not entirely logical, but it's true.
 
I guess I try to talk to everyone I can about 2A rights. I make it my mission to try and discredit those against us like Sugarman and the brady bunch.
 
One word. Bears.
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Godless Killing Machines.

But seriously, I've got a good friend that was never really into guns in reality until I took him to the range. He loved it, bought his own gun and even though he moved away and we don't get to go to the range anymore, he's seriously thinking about opening his own range after college.

So I guess I'm good at #3.

I also make a point to post pro-gun messages from our Founding Fathers online, to help spread the idea that guns are not just for personal protection but a pillar of our continued freedom.
 
30 cal beat me to it...

In my short time being a gun enthusiast(I've never been anti, but I was kind of non-gun in the fact that I didn't collect and didn't really shoot more than once every few years) I have converted about a half-a-dozen people from non-gun to gunny...

I first talk to them about the situation(whether or not they think we should be allowed to own guns).

If they are interested, I invite them to go shooting...So far, most of the people that have showed interest have purchased a gun/guns sometime after going to the range with me.

My goal for the near future? Convert half-a-dozen more.:)
 
My girlfriend is so much better at making new gunnies than I am because she talks with her friends about rapists and how you want something better than pepper sauce to defend yourself with. As an engineering student I have helped friends pick out first guns by describing features and mechanisms in plain English.
Instead of saying "positive grip action safety with sear disconnect" I can translate to "you have to hold it this part of the grip down or it won't fire"
 
Getting them to safely shoot a weapon--in a comfortable surroundings--is the key; they have to see the enjoyment side and build their own confiedence. I work on my liberal friends, get them to come out for a weekend, and even abide by their dietary requirements and cook vegeterian if need be.
Then, here in IL, whether they want to buy a gun or not I push them to part with 5 bucks and get a FOID card. once they have 'the card' they know they can get the gun--that's a big hurdle here and specific to our situation in this state. But in an odd way, it works to our mimetic favor once they get one in their wallet.

Really, non-gun folks seem to think 1 of 2 situations exist regarding how difficult it is to buy a gun: 1) They believe they are falling from the trees everywhere 2) They believe a truly onerous process must be gone through.

With more big box discounters getting out of the firearm business, they don't see guns fpor sale as often. On the up tick however, are the Gander Mountains and Cabellas that are not intimidating to take a non-shooting pal to window shop at.
 
Well, at 16 I think I've done a decent job of educating, in a stumbling sort of way. I managed to convert BOTH of my parents to one degree or another, and now my mother is buying a gun to get her and I into USPSA. I also helped to educate my history teacher on the laws surrounding firearms, along with a few of my classmates. My teacher isn't really anti, just misinformed. He believed the AWB was still in place, for example.

A note on my parents, they represent two common points amongst antis. My father had a good friend when he was younger who shot himself in the arm with a rifle, and I believe he was traumatized by it. My mother has only had negative exposure to guns in her life, from armed robberies to suicides. I convinced her to take the NRA Handgun class with me in January, after years of talking to her about the different issues. The first time she picked up an empty gun, she was shaking so hard she almost dropped it. The next time, it was a loaded gun on the range, and she actually enjoyed herself a little. All it took was a little exposure to the positives. Thats all it really ever takes for anything :)
 
I make an effort point out gun owners are regular upstanding people just like most everyone else. I also emphasize how friendly the environment is at all the ranges i visit.

the most important thing i do though- is i try to take as many non gun owners shooting as I can and let them have a positive experience on their own. I've gotten more than a couple fence sitters to go mildly pro, one to actively start purchasing guns, and one ardent anti to come over and ask to go shooting regularly.

small victories, but they make me feel like i've helped.
 
I have success using a combination of #1 & #5. There are quite a few
people that think they can have a gun any day they want one by
waltzing into that store down on Rte.X with the big GUNS
sign and plunking down their credit card.
When I explain what it takes just to buy a shotgun here in NJ they're
apalled at how the government snuck up and stole a constitutional
right they had always taken for granted and want to act.
Others are unfamiliar to the point of a fear of firearms, to those
I mention gunowners we both know and how common ownership
is, tell them where they can shoot and offer to take them to one
of the ranges and familiarize them. Several have taken me up on the
offer and a few have become gun owners.
#6 is tricky, Wayne LaPierre can suggest to us that a person is unfit
hold public office because of their position on gun control, but putting
that to someone on the fence can push them the wrong way.
 
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They must be aware of the opportunity to own guns.

In America, just about everyone knows this one... New citizens/ legal residents are sometimes surprised that you can go to Walmart and buy a .308 caliber rifle. But they figure it out quick. Not everyone knows the particulars or all the rules. Strangely most non-owners I meet think the rules are more restrictive than they are. So I kind of understand what Oleg is saying.

They must perceive gun ownership as a benefit to themselves

Of the rare non-owners I run into a most of them mention that they are planning on buying a gun in the future. They seem to already understand the benefits. There is a very nebulous time line for this ownership that is usually linked to some future event with an uncertain completion date. Whenever I mention this would be a good time to move forward as often as not the time is has not yet come for whatever reason...

They must have an opportunity to try shooting

I make it a goal to go shooting with someone new every month. Rarely do I get the chance to go shooting with a non-shooter (as I seldom meet any) but those are very rewarding times.

They must view owning guns as more beneficial than borrowing or renting them

I do not lend guns. At least not unless I am standing right next to it. I discourage renting. I start with the line "going to rent that shotgun huh? Well hopefully the last guy did not rob a liquor store with it and now your prints are all over it..." Now I know the chance of that is super rare... but they don't... If I ever lend a gun it is not to a novice. But I have taken several people to gun shops to buy their own.

They must understand the threats to their continued gun ownership

Here I fail miserably. A lot of owners are convinced that the gun lobby is too powerful and that guns are not under any threats. I tell them of laws in DC, CA, NY, IL, MA, NJ... but- not here they say... such things would not be allowed... those are all "liberal" states.... I tell them of conservatives like Guiliani and Romney and Whitman and Arnold and how repubs sold out New Jersey faster than a freight train it all gets lost in the shuffle... People believe what the want to believe mounds of evidence not withstanding....

They must have a way to counter those threats by personal action

By keeping my oath and following the law I already do quite a lot.... Making sure others do the same gets easier every day.

What is your specialty in the (RKBA) Army?

Defender of the Constitution through direct action and following the letter and spirit of the law.
 
I've found that many folks who have never owned a gun (and typically are neutral in the RKBA struggle) have a growing fear of crime and often are interested in obtaining some type of firearm for self defense. But they have no idea where to start, what to get, or how to use it. It's for this reason that I don't hide my interest in firearms from my coworkers. Pretty much everyone knows shooting is my hobby and I'll gladly take anyone to the range and give them an intro to shooting and firearms safety. Over the years, I've introduced several newbies to shooting and helped them select a firearm for SD.

The only hardcore anti I've ever converted was a old boss I had about 15 years ago. He was a New Jersey liberal transplanted to Virginia. But all it took was one trip to the sporting clays range and within he a week he was the proud owner of a Rem 1100. :)
 
I personally try to do what I can when I can. I am a little lazy in the fact that I try to get people who are either indifferent, or even apathetic gun owners to get more involved, and try to teach new skills and aspects of shooting. People that are straight up anti, well I fight the good fight, and politely argue any points they bring up. I use the data from gunfacts.info as the basis for most of my arguments, but I get a little tired of the name calling, and anger directed twards me after the eventual breakdown of their logic.

They must be aware of the opportunity to own guns.

most people know they could own a gun, but usually know little about the process, or what can be owned. Several people at the range comment on how they would like an AR or AK like I have, but think they are illegal, or that I must be a cop to be allowed to have a dreaded "assault weapon". I let them try it, and after people normally comment on how comfortable and easy it is to fire and FUN, I tell them that they have the right to own them, as they are just modern and versatile weapons, no more, no less, but are a common target of people who work to ban guns. With the same 4 peices of paperwork as it takes to buy a pistol (in MD) they too can own one, a couple people have taken my advice.

They must perceive gun ownership as a benefit to themselves

I try to pursuade to the fact that a firearm is a unique and wonderful tool. One that can protect your home and your family in the event of a national disaster, or common robbery. Can give people of all ages hours of fun at the range. A firearm can introduce you to new people with common interest, and social events like a competition, or group hunt. They can help improve concentration, reduce stress, quicken hand eye coordination, and provide several levels of excercise.

They must have an opportunity to try shooting

this is an easy one, invite a coworker, neighbor, friends, or family to the range. New shooters can be very excited about it, and tell others, who may be more willing to try shooting with another new shooter, than someone who has shot for years, because they may be afraid of looking bad. Many shooters and clubs can be kind of secretive, and closed off to those who may have an interest, while it may keep away newbies who may not know all of the subtle courtesies, it can hurt the cause. We should be a public and open group, hide your rights and they will get legislated away.

They must view owning guns as more beneficial than borrowing or renting them

Someone may want to rent or borrow a gun to find one they like, and that is fine, but if you were to need it when something goes bump in the night, having a rented gun locked up at the range does you no good. And much like people who own a bowling ball, or golf clubs, your own gun gives you a consistent platform to learn, and gauge improvement with a farmiliar feel.

They must understand the threats to their continued gun ownership

This is something best approached delicately, but decisively. I normally move people up from a 22 (which I have any new shooter try first) to an AR. It is a light recoiling easy to fire weapon, and everyone that has tried it loves it, this is where I fill them in on the truth about it's abilities, and what the media and politicians CLAIM it can do, and therefore propose to ban it. I point out that hunting is a sport in its own right, and a tradition, but some people just prefer to shoot at paper or steel, and they have no less of a right to own firearms than someone who hunts. The wheels start turning the next time some politician is on TV saying he is a lifelong hunter, but AWs should be banned, coupled with a few statistics the hypocrocy, stupidity and true agenda of gun control is exposed.

They must have a way to counter those threats by personal action

One simple thing is to encourage gun owners, and those sympathetic to the RKBA to vote accordingly, but the fact is that very few people are needed to steer the direction of policy and laws on a day to day basis. One person, who joins a pro RKBA association, votes, and writes a few letters a year to representatives and media sources can be viewed as representing thousands, and therefore has more say in what laws are passed than someone who simply watches what happens and shakes their head. I have encouraged about a dozen people in the last year to join the NRA, and given about a dozen more memberships as gifts to apathetic gun owners. Lots of gun owners have a bone to pick with the NRA, but they can help to show exactly what is rolling through national and state legislatures, and give instructions as to what can be done about it. The more exposure one has as to what is going on, the more they tend to rationalize the issues and understand the injustice that is gun control.

I appolagise my reply is a little lengthy, but this is my perspective as a pro RKBA activist, and what has worked for me in furthering the cause, i hope that if we can borrow tips and ideas from each others experiences there can be no-one that cannot be pursuaded to at least objectively and logically look at the issue, and once objectivity and logic are applied we have basically won as the genius of the 2nd ammendment, and the wisdom inherent of an armed populous can not be ignored.
 
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My way, my rules, my moral law.

My role, defined too long ago. Ladies and kids abused, the elderly and physically limited.
I've gotten folks to safe places, given them a gun and fast tracked lessons.
Evil overcome, life gets better, and in like turn they pass forward.
Sexually assaulted lady, beaten and all, give me 10 minutes, and she will know a single shot shotgun like she was born with it.
Model 10, or a .22 pistol, or Marlin 60...
Don't bet against these folks, they have BTDT and "never again" means something to them.

I'll be in the shadows keeping watch and doing my thing if'n you need me...
 
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