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What keeps the mini-14 from "battle rifle" status?

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AND about not being defensive? What, exactly is your definition of confrontational and defensive?

The INITIAL thread was regarding performance...not price...

So how much money is in your checking and savings accounts? 401K? Where do you live? How much money do you make?

EXACTLY:D ....It's none of my business, that's why we use handles and have friendly exchanges of opinions, etc.....


Confrontational .....not in the least...what would you like to know? Or was this thread about PERFORMANCE?

Mine performs...whats your point? And why so bent out of shape if I dont answer your questions about price? :)

YOU sound sensitive and confrontational...nuff said..I'm outta this thread!!


Mace (with carbine, an accurate one, in hand!)
 
Actually, the initial thread was about mini-14s, not about custom rifles.

Look, you started posting pics and bragging about performance of your custom rifle and used that as evidence that minis are tackdrivers. The fact is that minis are NOT tackdrivers or you'd be posting pics of a stock mini and bragging that you didn't have to spend any extra money on it to get the tiny groups you would have posted along with the pics of the rifle.

Here are some facts:

1. When you spend a bunch of money customizing a gun, it ALWAYS shoots great after you're done. If it doesn't you sell it or spend MORE money until it does.

2. There are very few firearms on the market that can't be made surprisingly accurate by the proper application of $500.

3. The performance of an accurized firearm is NOT representative of the original performance and capabilities of that firearm.
I'm outta this thread!! (with carbine, an accurate one, in hand!)
If you want to take your carbine and leave, who am I to stop you? :D
 
My mini-14 has always hit where i've aimed. Plain and simple. If I had to trust my life to it in a combat situation, I wouldn't feel undergunned.
 
Look, you started posting pics and bragging about performance of your custom rifle and used that as evidence that minis are tackdrivers.

Bottom line? My rifle shoots 1 MOA....FACT

JohnKSa,

Did you notice where it says "My rifle " not all MINI's ......HELLO!!!??:D


Atleast get it right!!:scrutiny:


Mace How does that hatorade taste!!??:neener:
 
JohnKSa,


Where are you? Could you please post pics of your rifle? We could use more of your :rolleyes: expertise!!

MaceWindu :)D , I like this!)
 
(Sigh)

Well, since this has turned into a circus. Might as well throw in some sarcasm, with a pinch of cynicsm for good measure....

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Mace,
Could you please post pics of your rifle?
I could swear I just posted that I didn't have any rifle pics to post. I could also swear that I posted earlier that I had traded my mini away in the distant past. But, if you want to compare pics, you're welcome to post a group of your own to match the one I posted.
Did you notice where it says "My rifle " not all MINI's
You might want to read your first post where you contradicted my general comments about minis with your rifle as supporting evidence... or your second post where you say that the main knock against "the mini" is the barrel and trigger and then said that you don't have that problem--like that's contradictory evidence to the main knocks against minis. It wasn't until the second page of this thread that you finally started making your comments more specific to YOUR rifle.

And, if you want to play THAT game, you might read back through the thread and let us know who it was that prompted you to post in the first place by mentioning that your rifle wouldn't shoot.

But, if that's really what you meant, then I think you're saying I was right when I posted that a single customized rifle was not representative of a whole line.
MaceWindu ( , I like this!)
Yes...I can see that. Definitely a rung or two down from when you said were taking your carbine and going home. I don't suppose you'll make that offer again anytime soon.
Where are you?
I'm off to engage in that past-time called life--I don't expect to see you there, however... ;)
 
I owned a couple Minis. An early stainless Mini and a blued Ranch Rifle. Accuracy from both was mediocre to poor depending on the ammo. Pie-pan sized groups at 50 yards were the norm from the Ranch Rifle with milsurp ammo. Fit and finish on both was poor. Metal to wood fit was particularly bad on the stainless. The Ranch Rifle's rear sight was unforgivably fragile. It self-destructed twice just from recoil forces. Ruger charged me for the replacement parts both times.
I don't hate the mini-14, but I don't consider them a good bargain.
 
Why do people continuously compare the SKS to the mini-14?

They're not particilarly close in role.


As i've said before, a mini-14 is a far closer match in role to an m-1 carbine, or an su-16.
 
For civilians, which includes the majority of the people at this board, the Mini-14 and the SKS are precisely similar in role. To whit: they are both moderately accurate autoloaders in military calibers, that will see action mainly as plinkers with somewhat rarer use as hunting rifles, and even more rarely as instruments of self defense.
Since "battle rifle" is, IME, purely a hobbyist term; it doesn't matter which military used which rifle for what purpose.
 
I would think to be classified as a "Battle Rifle" the rifle should have seen "Battle". Unless the A-Team counts.

I always thought the term was "Main Battle Rifle", denoting a standard issue Infantry rifle in a major caliber, effective @ > 600 yds, sutible to a more retro doctrine of combat. (i.e.M1903,M1917,M98,Enfield,MosinNagant,Arasaka,M1,M14,CETME,G3,FN49,FAL ect...)
 
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I'm off to engage in that past-time called life--I don't expect to see you there, however...

Then why keep posting!!

I know = Drinking Hatorade!!! HA! And trying to get personal when the topic is regarding a carbine....

How to avoid troll confrontations:

I better take this advice...TROLL = JohnKSa ....:scrutiny:


MaceWindu
 
Most peopel are not gunsmiths, nor do they want to be. Most people do not want to spend money to make their guns better. Out of the box performance is preferred. As such, I do not view the Mini-14 as a good bargain. It may be a tweakable rifle - let's face it, the design is good. It's based off of the M14. But the production values are, apparently, lacking. I believe the same thing happened when Steyr GBs were produced in the US. Great design, but the production was off.

It's a decent gun out of the box, nothing to write home about, but there are better rifles out there for the money IMO. I wouldn't turn one down. I also would buy something different if I had the money. But it is a pretty cool design, I like the whole idea of a shrinky dink M14...

Oh, yes, I have shot them.
 
Keep in mind that the written word, even well crafted ones often lose the nuances we expect them to carry.

Think twice, post once. Keep it civil.

Outside of 'The A-team' I never saw a Mini-14 used in combat. :D
 
Mace,

What can I say--I guess you're more experienced at this than I am. I think that if I were to keep debating with you, I might eventually get to the point that people would hardly be able to tell us apart--then again--maybe not.

The points about mini's performance that you made in your last 3 posts are so impossible to answer that I finally realized that when it comes to debaters, you're clearly the master.

I think you should keep spreading the word--soon everyone will realize just how seriously they should take your opinions.

I also want to say that I think that you're probably not half bad and that obviously your talent is being wasted when you post here.

Cheers!

John

PS. The "hatorade" comments are very telling--I think they really help people get the point about your arguments.

PPS. I apologize for the comment about life. I assure you that I would never have posted it if I thought for a moment you would see it as an insult.
 
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The original question was what keeps the mini 14 from "battle rifle" classification, not is the mini 14 a good gun.

The answer is simple in order for a rifle to become a "battle rifle" it has to have been adopted for that use by a national military force. In the US we didnt need it as we had the M14 and M16.

PS Please dont take this the wrong way i'm just stating facts to the best of my knowledge not taking sides in a battle of personal taste and style.
 
S-S,

I don't think there's any reason to apologise for stating your opinion. I mean it's not like a reasonable person would call you names or harass you for something like that.

Probably the simplest reason the mini has never achieved battle-rifle status is caliber.

Now--why it has only rarely and briefly achieved "military issue" status is another story...
 
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