What really is the effective range of an AK 47/AKM?

[goon]

The VEPR may be a stretch. Fair enough.

But seriously... when did the WASR become the standard for a "stock" AK?

Do a little research. Back when I first got into AK's, WASR's were as bottom-of-the-barrel as you could get. You could get an SAR-1 that was slightly better, but even then you had to worry about canted sights and gas blocks and Century assembly shortcuts. Maybe they're a little better now.

But at $700 (local price), they'd better be.

 

[d2wing]

Military effective range may be very different than say hunting range. Russian doctrine used to be mass fire. More or less spray the enemy 350 meters sounds reasonable. Aimed fire is very different. For an aimed hit on a man under combat conditions for a person barely able to line up sights 200 meters would be stretching it. I have actually been in combat against them. Hits are pretty random and volume of fire is pretty much the name of the game. There are exceptions of course. There is no contest between a trained GI with an M14 and a typical skinny with an AK in an individual fight on an open field. I have made and saw others make 600 meter hits with an M14. 400 meters with an AR. But those scenarios of just 2 guys in the open with aimed fire are extremely unlikely since WW2. I have no idea how you would know what a guy is shooting at you from 1000 yards. A sniper shot at me and missed. I don't know or care what he shot. I returned fire with a M60. Off topic I guess.

 

[JohnKSa]

But, but, but?

If the solder being shot at isn't shooting the rifle and under complete control of the effective range of it?

Who or what is?

I assume that since this is about the AK and its effective range, your comment was somehow related to the AK and its effective range. Are you saying that the effective range of an AK shrinks MORE when the operator is under fire than the effective range of another similar rifle of a different design?

I don't understand how incoming fire affects the effective range of a rifle unless the incoming fire actually hits the rifle. Rifles shoot the same when fire is incoming as when it's not.

It's easy to see that the soldier holding the rifle might be much less effective at hitting his target while being shot at but that's got nothing to do with the rifle he's holding and everything to do with what's going on in his mind.