What Rifle to Get Next????

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Okay, so I should have some money very soon to spend, and I'm wondering, what rifle should I purchase next???? I'm more of a defensive/combat shooter, so I am looking for an excellent rifle in 5.56 (or maybe even a battle rifle in .308).

I have thought of the SCAR, the Tavor, and some other rifles. I've even thought about that ARAK-21 upper (look it up, it seems pretty fantastic).

Anyways, I do not believe that It needs to be another AR platform. I want something fresh or new. Thanks!!!!
 
Take a look at the VEPR in 308, it'll certainly be something new to an AR owner.
 
I would have to agree with the VEPR idea. I think you can even get them in x54R, which would be a pretty cool firearm to have.
 
You might want to look at the M1A platform.

I have a SOCOM16. I would like to get a M21 Tactical in the future.

Here is a pic of my SOCOM16

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Another vote for the M1A. Mostly 'cause I want one bad. :p

Seriously though, it's a proven platform, accurate, sturdy, fun to shoot and can be pretty heavily customized if you so choose.
 
Thanks guys. I'm not entirely sure about the vepr, although I'm sure there will be one or two in my future. The m1 doesn't sound so bad, and it would be a really neat piece of history. I've also yet to have a rifle in .30-06.

I'm really liking the m1A idea, I've been eyeballing those socom's for awhile now. Everyone I know who has one loves it more than anything else.

DeMilled- Haha, I may be looking for a rifle, but im probably not going to throw 6k at a .338 Lapua AR. And you know something that gets me, (sorry to get off track), is that a manufacturer will build an excellent, top-notch, high end, perfect rifle, and there's STILL an A2 grip. I know it's extremely easy to replace it, but still........ I detest A2 grips.... (Wayyyyyyyyyy off topic)
 
Just bought a Vepr 54r and absolutely love it. I put an IWD stock on it and added an svd style flash hider (you will definitely want this). I also have been shooting my PTR 91f a lot. have you considered that one?
 
just read somewhere that H&K is making civilian copies of the G36 rifle.. no, not that SL8 abomination but a REAL semi automatic version.. supposed to be identicle to and interchangable with the military ones.. information is limited, im not sure how true it is but if youve ever been a fan of that rifle, that might be something to wait for.. and if the newer plastic military stuff is what youre after the only one id consider buying would be a CZ-805.. but if going a tad older, the sig 551 is one of my favorite rifles ever
 
SilverCat, do you like the thought of a hands-on approach for your next rifle?

I mean, would you like to assemble a kit, re-finish the wood, pick between different dust cover optic mounts, etc. for the perfect rifle?

You can get into some crazy configuration when you jump into the FAL pool!

21" Heavy Barrels, 16" Heavy Barrels, standard rifle, carbine, short gas systems, folding stocks/paras, 308, 7mm08, 243, all sorts of weird combinations...


Food for thought

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Gunwatcher- I forgot!! Thanks!! I have taken a look at those PTR-91s and everybody really loves them apparently. What do you think about yours?? I havent heard much about them from an actual owner.

akv3g4n- I just clicked that Atlantic firearms link, and that beryl looks really nice to me. I have an AK, but this one seems to be some kind of high end AK. It looks nice on the outside anyhow.

DeMilled- Thanks. I don't believe that I'll go for the FNAR, it just doesn't seem to suit my wants needs and desires. But that thing is certainly on my watch list now. Haha.

Jason41987- If HK is truly coming out with a pure G36 clone, and (like you said) not that SL8, than I would definitely be willing to throw my money at it rig now. That CZ-805 has grabbed by interest though. It looks fairy similar.
I have indeed taken a look at some sigs also, probably wouldn't mind having one.

DeMilled (again)- Yes!! I forgot about the FAL!! And now that DSarms has started selling FAL receivers, I could totally do a build. I do my own ARs anyway, why not try an FAL?? Although, how much cash will I end up putting into it???? Thanks!!
 
How much will you end up putting into a FAL build? Oh man, there's a question! :what:

All kits are going to be priced on rarity/desirability and condition.

http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/argentinefalkitmodeliv-1.aspx

http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/argentinefalkitmodeliv.aspx

http://www.gunthings.com/falkits.htm

Those are just the first few I found but they are a decent look at todays market.
Don't forget about gunbroker and the classifieds on other forums.

I strongly suggest a kit without a barrel.
Why pay for a mil. surp. barrel with how many rounds through it?

Save the couple bucks on the price of a kit and put that money towards a brand new high quality barrel. Now, the G1 kit from gunthings already has a brand new American made barrel, so there is that.

DSA sells barrels.


FYI, it is pretty easy for a gun smith to install the FAL gas block on Remington barrels.



Buy either a DSA, or Dan Coonan receiver and be happy.
I prefer Dan Coonan just for the reputation they have over DSA for taking care of the customer and not selling out of spec parts. Google it...
http://www.coonaninc.com/index.php/cPath,7



When you get into 922R stuff you'll see that a lot of the things you can replace to get the foreign parts count down are areas where you can upgrade the rifle. For example; you want to replace the fire control group with American made stuff for parts count, well why not upgrade to a nice trigger?
http://www.jardinc.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=15&Itemid=30

It's expensive.
May, or may not be worth it to you.


Want to use US made hand guards to get your parts count down?
Spend $129 on a set of DSA free float hand guards...

See? It can get pretty complicated and it all depends on how much you want to spend on the parts of the build that are really important to you.




I think the place where you will have the most wriggle room in price will be the kit.

Know what parts you want to replace for 922r parts count, find a kit with those parts in poor condition and you'll save a few bucks over buying a pristine kit.

With the holidays coming up you might make out well on gunbroker, etc.
and don't forget the classified section on falfiles.com



I wish I had a more simple answer for you but planning a FAL build can go from thousands for the purists and just over a grand for a guy who likes mongrels...
 
DeMilled-

You have really peaked my interest. Ive found quite a few aftermarket parts for the FAL. How many US made parts are required to be 922r compliant????

Also, where can I find a good well made barrel???? I wouldn't mind some help if you could coach me on this, as I am not familiar with the FAL system. I would like it to be quality, but I don't need some multi-thousand dollar competition rifle. I also love the thought of it being in .308. Thanks man.
 
DeMilled-

You have really peaked my interest. Ive found quite a few aftermarket parts for the FAL. How many US made parts are required to be 922r compliant????

Also, where can I find a good well made barrel???? I wouldn't mind some help if you could coach me on this, as I am not familiar with the FAL system. I would like it to be quality, but I don't need some multi-thousand dollar competition rifle. I also love the thought of it being in .308. Thanks man.

Now, I ain't a lawyer so you need to do your own double checking here but 922R works out to be a restriction on the number of foreign made parts of a specific category/list. Google it and you'll be good to go.
What you are looking at are things like receiver, barrel, muzzle device, fire control group, furniture, magazine parts and such stuff.

There are few "off the shelf" new manufacture barrels.
DSA has barrels and they have a pretty good reputation. I have two Izzy Heavy Barrel clones with DSA barrels and both shoot well, one very well.

There have been private party limited runs on barrels in the past few years but I think most have been sold... can't say for sure. May the google be with you young Padawan.

The new barrels you can buy right now are DSA, or the ones that come with the gunthings.com G1 kits. To the best of my knowledge.



For a "High Quality" barrel you are into the world of buying a barrel from one of the quality barrel manufactures and it then being fitted to the FAL.

A Remington 700 barrel is a great candidate for being turned into a FAL barrel and that's what my fathers' FAL is sporting. Google Remington 700 into FAL barrel, or something like that, and you'll be getting a good idea of what's involved.

ER Shaw will charge an extra ~30 bucks for a custom profile and that's the route I'm going to go with my next build. Compare the price of an ER Shaw barrel, or any other brand of quality barrel, to a Mil. Surp. barrel and see where you want to spend your money.

If you look into barrels what you need to keep in mind is that the gas block has a specific I.D. and needs to match the O.D. of the barrel at a specific point down the barrels length; if google fails you and you need some numbers hit me up and I'll get the numbers you need for barrel shopping.
This is important Have the specific gas block you intend to use in hand before you order a barrel. The FAL has been manufactured by many different countries, measure your gas block and work from there.





You may have that guessed we have left plug and play Leggo style Rifle Building behind. It is what it is.


Building a great FAL is a lot like like building a Hot Rod motor.
The big stuff is easy and straight forward; where you will see the best results are in the details and fitting the important parts together.
Gas plug is too loose for your gas block? No biggie buy another and chalk it up to the growing pains of building a FAL.


I've TIG welded pads to the bolt carrier to tighten up the bolt-to-bolt carrier lock up and then milled them down until my bolt-to-bolt carrier lock up was nice and tight. (Not my original idea, can't take credit)

It's all about attitude.

Some like to build 'em.
Some like to buy 'em.




This is what I did with an Imbel magazine release, a MIG welder and a drill press. Ain't another one like it on this earth! lol
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I didn't like it and changed the angle of the "pad" until I did like it.
 
Well I've been looking about, and it seems like a fairly complicated process.

Tell me, I want to build this with minimal tools, what tools do I HAVE to have?? I may even send you a few messages when I need to, because even though I am a decent smith and build easy stuff, this does not seem easy. Thanks.

You know, soon I'll be to the point where I don't even buy assembled weapons anymore, I'll just build them, haha. I plan on taking a 1911 course later this year.
 
Must have tools for a FAL build are the receiver wrench, barrel vise and pin gauges.

Assembling a FAL is really just screwing the barrel into the receiver until it times properly and then using pin gauges to find out what size locking shoulder you need to press in there.

http://www.faltools.com/?page_id=50


All the other little things people do is because we like to tinker in the garage.
I like doing little things on my gun just to make them better suited to me; I'm fabricating a front sight block out of an AK front sight for my SAIGA 12 shotgun just 'cause I don't like what is available commercially. It's a hobby.


I've seen some folks over think building a FAL from reading stuff that other people did and I can see where it can look can look intimidating but it's really no biggie.

I think the worst experience I've seen are when people buy a Century, DSA, or other rifle that has issues and try to fix it without a proper understanding of how the rifle even works.
One of the things that drew me to build my own rifles was to have a true understanding of them and to know my rifles inside and out....literally!


The complicated part is deciding just what you want to build :D
 
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