What should the new code name for a modern military style rifle be?
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Mad Chemist
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Not to put to fine a point on it but...
assault rifle
–noun
1. a military rifle capable of both automatic and semiautomatic fire, utilizing an intermediate-power cartridge.
2. a nonmilitary weapon modeled on the military assault rifle, usu. modified to allow only semiautomatic fire.
[Origin: 1970–75]
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assault rifle
n. Any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles designed for individual use in combat.
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assault rifle
noun
any of the automatic rifles or semiautomatic rifles with large magazines designed for military use
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assault rifle
–noun
1. a military rifle capable of both automatic and semiautomatic fire, utilizing an intermediate-power cartridge.
2. a nonmilitary weapon modeled on the military assault rifle, usu. modified to allow only semiautomatic fire.
[Origin: 1970–75]
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source
assault rifle
n. Any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles designed for individual use in combat.
(Download Now or Buy the Book)
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
WordNet - Cite This Source
assault rifle
noun
any of the automatic rifles or semiautomatic rifles with large magazines designed for military use
WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.
It's easier to tell a man he's wrong than it is to prove it.
Ala Dan
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Homeland Defense Rifle sounds good enough too me~!
Eleven Mike
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I don't like all the "Homeland" or PATRIOT Act talk, but I LIKE Homeland Defense Rifle. It's funny. It's technically correct. And it makes a good point. Our AKs and evil black rifles aren't just for personal or home defense. And they're not just for shooting at paper or for collecting. And they're not just for hunting.
The phrase "Homeland Defense Rifle" brings home the point that the "assault rifle" is the one arm that citizens could be said to have not just a right but even a civic duty to own. The Second Amendment was born from the idea that citizens should feel obligated to be armed with military weapons to be used to defend their neighborhoods and their nation from outside attack or from "despotic sway."
While American Patriot Militia Arm might be better on technical grounds, I think HDR gets the point across more cogently in today's environment.
The phrase "Homeland Defense Rifle" brings home the point that the "assault rifle" is the one arm that citizens could be said to have not just a right but even a civic duty to own. The Second Amendment was born from the idea that citizens should feel obligated to be armed with military weapons to be used to defend their neighborhoods and their nation from outside attack or from "despotic sway."
While American Patriot Militia Arm might be better on technical grounds, I think HDR gets the point across more cogently in today's environment.
SoCalShooter
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I like Peace Tool.
bill larry
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KFranz...yes, I do provide training in this area...
Come, grasshopper, learn the ways...
Behavoir is changed thru unwavering repetition. So, you, the individual person, can help by everytime you are about to speak of said rifles, using the term Homeland Defense Rifle. Use it to your friends. Use it at the gun store. Use it at the range. Use it in letters to your representatives and the media. Use it in your posts here or on other forums. See, now you have done your part.
Remember when the media started calling suicide bombers "homicide bombers"? It seemed to happen overnight, right? Now, I hear it on TV and don't even think twice. If gun owners would just take a second...this tactic is not hard to do and could achieve ALOT. Even if it's done with a nod and a wink, that's okay.
We need to start doing (OR SAYING) something else. Using simple reason to argue our 2nd Ammendment rights with those who would deprive us of them won't work...reason does not apply to those who are irrational!
Lets put the old terminology to bed.
Come, grasshopper, learn the ways...
Behavoir is changed thru unwavering repetition. So, you, the individual person, can help by everytime you are about to speak of said rifles, using the term Homeland Defense Rifle. Use it to your friends. Use it at the gun store. Use it at the range. Use it in letters to your representatives and the media. Use it in your posts here or on other forums. See, now you have done your part.
Remember when the media started calling suicide bombers "homicide bombers"? It seemed to happen overnight, right? Now, I hear it on TV and don't even think twice. If gun owners would just take a second...this tactic is not hard to do and could achieve ALOT. Even if it's done with a nod and a wink, that's okay.
We need to start doing (OR SAYING) something else. Using simple reason to argue our 2nd Ammendment rights with those who would deprive us of them won't work...reason does not apply to those who are irrational!
Lets put the old terminology to bed.
EricTheBarbarian
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i dont see how homeland defense rifle is any better than assault weapon. it sounds cool but then itll be, only police and the military need homeland defense weapons and they dont belong in the hands of ordinary people. it doesnt matter what you call them. They will always be under attack just like any of our freedoms. People are afraid of them because they dont know anything about them and they look scary. Strict gun legislation saying what we need to have is usually done by people who know nothing about guns or pretend like they do. call them blueberry muffins and theyd still be afraid of you owning one.
blackhawk2000
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They should take your guns away for refering to them as assault rifles, or sniper rifles. You are doing us no favors by calling them that.
mpmarty
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Don't confuse
names with facts, "a rose by any other" etc.
Your poll lacks the necessary choice "none of the above" as the term for a military select fire individual long firearm should be: Rifle, Individual, Selective Engagement M-16 (RISE M16).
names with facts, "a rose by any other" etc.
Your poll lacks the necessary choice "none of the above" as the term for a military select fire individual long firearm should be: Rifle, Individual, Selective Engagement M-16 (RISE M16).
Prince Yamato
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I like Assault Rifle, it helps me distinguish guns I want to buy from those damned ugly hunting rifles...
NO MORE POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!
NO MORE POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!
bill larry
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<sigh> C'mon guys...they're gonna come for your "ass^%$ rifles"! Say something else, everytime. No excuses.
Ericthebarbarian...just remember...Homeland Defense is every citizens job! Or so thats what the gov'ment tells us. See, gottem by the nuts when you use that term.
Ericthebarbarian...just remember...Homeland Defense is every citizens job! Or so thats what the gov'ment tells us. See, gottem by the nuts when you use that term.
Charles S
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Why do we need to call it anything, but what it is. A rifle is a rifle in whatever configuration or flavor you may like.
I have a rifle it is an AR-15. I have a rifle it is a Remington 700. I personally don't see what the problem is.
I have a rifle it is an AR-15. I have a rifle it is a Remington 700. I personally don't see what the problem is.
I don't have a problem calling it any of the above. They're all good, even 'assault rifle'. Before 1994, that was our term- why not 'reclaim it'. If it is acceptable for black people to reclaim the Nword or for some female activists to reclaim Cunt - which were never "their" words to begin with why not we recalim ours.
bill larry
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because right now that won't work
MatthewVanitas
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Aaah! You listed "assault weapon" as a choice, but not "assault rifle"! Can you go back and add a poll option?
I'm going with "rifle", "self-loading rifle", or "assault rifle". It's funny that it's a linguistic anomaly that makes translating Sturmgewehr problematic, as "assault" in English means both felonious attack and a military rush to an objective. In German, "sturm" only refers to the military meaning, if I understand correctly.
Oddly enough, I do avoid the word "handgun", preferring to use the term "pistol" for both semi-auto and revolver, which is historically correct.
The silly names "Peacetool", "Sport Utility Rifle" (which amuses me) etc. are fine to toss around here where we're all friendly, but not of much use outside the already pro-gun circles.
Not this boy. Every time I hear the term "homicide bomber", my respect for that news source drops a notch. It's a politically loaded term that loses all technical meaning. Bombs left on park benches cause homicide too, the defining feature of a suicide bombing is that it includes the self-killing of the perpetrator.
IMO, "homicide bombing" marks a source as biased, just as "martyrdom operation" reveals bias to the opposite side.
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I'm going with "rifle", "self-loading rifle", or "assault rifle". It's funny that it's a linguistic anomaly that makes translating Sturmgewehr problematic, as "assault" in English means both felonious attack and a military rush to an objective. In German, "sturm" only refers to the military meaning, if I understand correctly.
Oddly enough, I do avoid the word "handgun", preferring to use the term "pistol" for both semi-auto and revolver, which is historically correct.
The silly names "Peacetool", "Sport Utility Rifle" (which amuses me) etc. are fine to toss around here where we're all friendly, but not of much use outside the already pro-gun circles.
Not this boy. Every time I hear the term "homicide bomber", my respect for that news source drops a notch. It's a politically loaded term that loses all technical meaning. Bombs left on park benches cause homicide too, the defining feature of a suicide bombing is that it includes the self-killing of the perpetrator.
IMO, "homicide bombing" marks a source as biased, just as "martyrdom operation" reveals bias to the opposite side.
-MV
Titan6
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A is A
One thing is becoming clear, something that I suspected all along:
The big majority of Pro 2A gun owners are the salt of the earth. Honest, down to earth and able to use simple logic. This is everything that the anti crowd is not. Most of those that voted for anything other than choice number three have written that they are doing so because that is what they believe their firearm is.
To steal from Rand, Plato, Socrates and Descarte A is A. A thing can not be anything other than what it is. To put forth anything different is dishonest and morally bankrupt. If we stoop to that level than we have already lost. If you really want to call your M14 a Homeland Defense Weapon than call it that.
But calling it that won't make it so.
And if you don't believe it to be true and are doing it as a gimmick to fool 'the Masses' that you don't think are as smart as you than what give up is moral superiority and your good concious.
And have gone into intellectual elitism of the worst kind.
And if you are an honest person you won't fool anyone else either because you will know it is a lie.
I think this strategy is flawed and has the potential for opening up the Pandora's box of unintended consequences. And opens up the movement to valid criticisms of integrity.
So my guns are what they are. Rifles, shotguns and pistols. The are bolt action, semi-auto and lever action. They have their uses, to include target shooting, hunting, self defense, possibly to protect the country and as a last resort to defend liberty and freedom. But what they are not is some PC term coined to make them more appealing to the masses and I won't ever call them that.
One thing is becoming clear, something that I suspected all along:
The big majority of Pro 2A gun owners are the salt of the earth. Honest, down to earth and able to use simple logic. This is everything that the anti crowd is not. Most of those that voted for anything other than choice number three have written that they are doing so because that is what they believe their firearm is.
To steal from Rand, Plato, Socrates and Descarte A is A. A thing can not be anything other than what it is. To put forth anything different is dishonest and morally bankrupt. If we stoop to that level than we have already lost. If you really want to call your M14 a Homeland Defense Weapon than call it that.
But calling it that won't make it so.
And if you don't believe it to be true and are doing it as a gimmick to fool 'the Masses' that you don't think are as smart as you than what give up is moral superiority and your good concious.
And have gone into intellectual elitism of the worst kind.
And if you are an honest person you won't fool anyone else either because you will know it is a lie.
I think this strategy is flawed and has the potential for opening up the Pandora's box of unintended consequences. And opens up the movement to valid criticisms of integrity.
So my guns are what they are. Rifles, shotguns and pistols. The are bolt action, semi-auto and lever action. They have their uses, to include target shooting, hunting, self defense, possibly to protect the country and as a last resort to defend liberty and freedom. But what they are not is some PC term coined to make them more appealing to the masses and I won't ever call them that.
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Right now, My AR is named "Zumbo". My Ak is "Jimmy". My hakim is "the extreme".:banghead:
Homeland defence rifle sounds good to me. Has that "Regulated malitia" sound.
Homeland defence rifle sounds good to me. Has that "Regulated malitia" sound.
IDriveB5
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Sport Utility Rifle is a fun name, I like it.
However, in practice, I use "rifle" whether it be a bolt, lever, semi-auto, double barrel, select-fire, pretty, ugly, etc.
I think it most appropriate to not to classify smokeless firearms past rifle, shotgun, revolver, pistol.
Identify->Classify->Ban->Confiscate
However, in practice, I use "rifle" whether it be a bolt, lever, semi-auto, double barrel, select-fire, pretty, ugly, etc.
I think it most appropriate to not to classify smokeless firearms past rifle, shotgun, revolver, pistol.
Identify->Classify->Ban->Confiscate
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