What the crap? (Post Gun Show Rant)

I think the problem is not the gate fee (for attendees), but rather, too-high table rents. High table rents discourage amateur traders, who in years past were the source for the bargains and the hard-to-find collectibles. A good move might be for the promoters to lower the table rents, and then maybe raise the gate fees to offset.

Free admission would be a bad idea. It would bring in the idle gawkers and the tire-kickers, to a venue that is already overcrowded. What shows need are more serious buyers, and fewer "lookers."

Makes sense. Also fewer customers (demand) would lower demand and then theoretically lower prices.

Maybe an idea for gun shows would be for vendors to be able to post some of their inventory prior to the show like what many auctions do. Customers could do an advance look and decide if the increased entry fee is worth a further look. (Maybe some already do that, I haven’t looked)
 
Whole pile of things up against show promoters.

The most expensive advertising is local advertising. And, without local advertising you wind up with a lean show. Those radio spots, the billboards, they are reminders for people with hectic lives. Cheap radio spot is $500 for a 15 second DJ voice over. Six spots a day for 3 days is nine grand. Radio stations selling $500 spots don't have that many listeners. One billboard for a week runs to five grand, not including the actual graphics.

So, one billboard and one radio spot have set you back ten grand. And, you have to hope enough potential customers actually listen to commercial radio or drive past that one billboard. Promoters who are bad at "exploitation" get a reputation among the vendors at those shows. But, that's where shows charging $80 per table are setting their prices from.

The vendors do not have it easy, either. They need to pack up inventory, often deciding what to take off the shelves in their own brick-and-mortar stores. That has to be loaded into a trailer or trailers, and those want to be stout trailers to carry ammo, and to keep the contents secure. And, the vendor needs a truck able to pull the trailer, too. And all the fuel to get from where they are to where the show is. They basically "lose" all of Friday as a needed travel day. Then, they also need a motel room, or rooms, too. And, they will be buying three days' food out on the road, too.

That's tough sledding if only 30-40 miles across town or the width of the County. When it's 100 or 200 miles, it jumps up an order of magnitude.

There can be an upside for folks with a brick-and-mortar FFL out in Podunk, they can bring their inventory to "the big city" and get more lookie-lous in a weekend than in a couple weeks back at the store. But, you still face all the expenses involved.

And, while we all grouse about the prices on things at the shows-which are clearly not ideal--they do need to be set where some sales take place, or the whole venture is a loss. And there's no guarantee of sales. That grump who needs his 219bumble bee, or a grip screw for his left-handed lever action double barrel pump shotgun, may still balk at the price the one vendor has on the one example of those at the show. And, that grump will grouse forever on about "gouging" afterwards, too.

We in the gun community can be some serious fusspots.
 
Maybe an idea for gun shows would be for vendors to be able to post some of their inventory prior to the show like what many auctions do. Customers could do an advance look and decide if the increased entry fee is worth a further look.
In this day and age when everything is computerized, have a system whereby vendors could the list the highlights of what they had for sale, accessible by smart phone, showing the aisle and table number where they are located within the show. This would cut down on a lot of random wandering around, for attendees who are looking for something specific. At my age, one thing that I dread about the shows is going up and down the aisles for hours (it's tiring, with my bad back!) only to not find what was looking for.
 
That grump who needs his 219bumble bee, or a grip screw for his left-handed lever action double barrel pump shotgun, may still balk at the price the one vendor has on the one example of those at the show. And, that grump will grouse forever on about "gouging" afterwards, too.
Grumps should probably skip the show and do his hunting on GunBroker and ebay instead. I've been in that position, and have finally come to the conclusion that my time and money is better spent online than at the shows.
 
During the early and mid 90s my wife and I worked the shows. Table cost was $25 for nice 8 foot tables. My wife and I got to know the promoters very well. The family hosted about 5 different location shows here in NE Ohio. A big show is the Cuyahoga County Fairgrounds show of about 3 buildings and 1,000 tables. Parking has always been free and as of today table cost is about $60.00. Today our 5 tables would be $300 so the first $300 we make would pay for our tables. A good promoter will limit the flea market stuff and place it all in one area. They also promote the shows so people know what is going on. There is considerable overhead including insurance. Over the years Mom and Dad retired to Florida but the family has continued the business and every now and then I go to one of their shows. Just to say hello and they still give me free admission. Managing a show and promoting a show is costly. Admission is now up to $8.00 so really not bad, especially for a very large show like the large county fairground shows.

Isn't America great? We have the option of going or not going to a gun show. :)

Ron
 
Isn't America great? We have the option of going or not going to a gun show. :)

Many years ago, I think during the First Obama Regime - which was the very first time I ever had to stand in line to get in a gun show - I was standing in line to get in a show in Oklahoma City.

In that line I met a fellow from England. He was amazed; seeing everyday folk walking around outside, seemingly armed to the teeth. I showed him a Deringer I had in my pocket: he commented that in England I would be risking a life sentence.

He just couldn't get over the open buying and selling of firearms. It was completely foreign to his mindset. He kept commenting about how much he wished it was so in his country.

We are fortunate that we have these shows at all.
 
Generally speaking, I have come to accept gun shows as something to do while I walk around with a friend and BS. I bought the first gun I ever bought at a gun show. I actually got a reasonable deal too. But that was 15 years ago.


I barely buy any guns now though. I have what I need. I’ve actually been purging my home and gun collection. Out with the old and………………. Well, out with the old.
Gotta say "Ditto", 460 Shooter...
Bought my first gun at a gun show in 1982. A Remington 788 carbine in .308 Win., new, unfired for $112. And I got the seller to throw in a box of ammo. Winchester SuperX 180 gr. Silvertips. Still have it but now it wears a 25" stainless Lilja barrel in 6mm CM.

I stopped going to gun shows after my best friend Russell died in 2006. It just isn't the same without Russ.
I, too , need to "Out with the old...". Thinkin' I might list a thing or two in the Trading Post here on THR... Maybe.... If I would just get up off my duff and do it....?o_O
 
“The name of the game is greed.”
Comments like this always get my attention , make my butt hurt too.

There is no shortage of firearms in this country. Anyone who wants or needs a gun has many buying options on any given day. We’re not talking about gouging on bottled water prices in a hurricane disaster area in which the municipal supply is inop.

Do we want a free market or not? Don’t like the price? Walk away.

About 2 years ago I liquidated most of my collection to finance a hot rod project. The selling price vs price I had paid - or profit- was considerable. In each transaction there was a satisfied buyer and a satisfied seller. Should I have sold each item at the price I had paid? No - that would have been really stupid now wouldn’t it?

Again - if you don’t like the price, keep walking.
The good old days are behind us. That’s just the way it is. We are in the age on the internet. That genie cannot be stuffed back into the bottle. Accept that , or pick a good brick wall to bang your head into.
 
“The name of the game is greed.”
Comments like this always get my attention , make my butt hurt too.

There is no shortage of firearms in this country. Anyone who wants or needs a gun has many buying options on any given day. We’re not talking about gouging on bottled water prices in a hurricane disaster area in which the municipal supply is inop.

Do we want a free market or not? Don’t like the price? Walk away.

About 2 years ago I liquidated most of my collection to finance a hot rod project. The selling price vs price I had paid - or profit- was considerable. In each transaction there was a satisfied buyer and a satisfied seller. Should I have sold each item at the price I had paid? No - that would have been really stupid now wouldn’t it?

Again - if you don’t like the price, keep walking.
The good old days are behind us. That’s just the way it is. We are in the age on the internet. That genie cannot be stuffed back into the bottle. Accept that , or pick a good brick wall to bang your head into.

Well said!!!

I couldn't have said that any better.
 
The only “gun show” I have access to, because our “shows” are too tiny to be worthy of the designation, consists of the images plus actual guns on Gunbroker.

An anti-gun Memphis bureaucrat closed the regular venue/location, immed. after the Covid crisis, which had been here for years.

The smallish ‘ Gun Show’ room in the Shriner’s modest bldg. is basically like a gun shop with mostly new handguns—-in fashionable Plastic fantastic. Because of Memphis “D” politicians..
 
The most expensive advertising is local advertising...one billboard and one radio spot have set you back ten grand...

Two words: Social. Media.

The city in which I live doesn't allow billboards of any kind anywhere. Not even on private property. I listen to the vintage country station, and I didn't hear a word about this show. Yet, somehow, it was well attended.
 
The only “gun show” I have access to, because our “shows” are too tiny to be worthy of the designation, consists of the images plus actual guns on Gunbroker.

An anti-gun Memphis bureaucrat closed the regular venue/location, immed. after the Covid crisis, which had been here for years.

The smallish ‘ Gun Show’ room in the Shriner’s modest bldg. is basically like a gun shop with mostly new handguns—-in fashionable Plastic fantastic. Because of Memphis “D” politicians..


I would think Mempis would be one of the easiest places in the country in which to purchase guns.

The Mogadishu of the Mississippi Valley.
 
Two words: Social. Media.

The city in which I live doesn't allow billboards of any kind anywhere. Not even on private property. I listen to the vintage country station, and I didn't hear a word about this show. Yet, somehow, it was well attended.


Weirdly enough where I'm at, it's the last 20 years of rock/metal station that's the most 2A advertisement friendly. Three gun stores regularly have advertisements and a couple of regular gun shows pay for time on the station.
 
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