Saw lots of nice $300 guns at the show...

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Just had to get in on this one because I myself have witnessed this unbelievable event :D.

Are there overpriced <......> selling for unreal prices at gun shows? Yes, you better believe they are. Are there "reasonable" and decent deals made at gun shows? Yes, you bet. Although, they are NOT proportional to each other. I've only made 2 purchases at gun shows in the last year. One was from someone I know and have done business with before, the other a total stranger.

I was at a show this past Friday and saw lots of things I wanted, and could have paid for, but was UNWILLING to pay their price. Was I ripped off? No, I was not. Was someone else ripped off? In my OPINION, if they paid that price, yeah, they were. If however, they wanted it bad enough and were willing to pay the price, then no, in THEIR opinion, they were not, OR they shouldn't have bought it. Having a good relationship with a local gun store, I could easily match or beat the prices I saw on the tables for new rather than used, IF I chose to buy through a dealer. For ME, it wasn't worth it. Much of this is perspective based.

Supply and demand is the American way. Think "Prohibition" and the "War on Drugs". If someone wants it bad enough, they'll pay whatever the seller is asking. Is it a fair price? If you want it bad enough it is. If you don't, then no it's not. This is like the automobile industry in some ways. I felt like chicken choking the local Chevy house when they had a new truck I wanted "stickered" at $45K. You've GOT to be kidding me!!!!! But, I needed/wanted it, but was unwilling to pay that price, so we negotiated until I settled on what I thought was a reasonable price. If he didn't play, I would have went somewhere else. If noone was willing to play ball, I would reevaluate my "need" or narrow my "want list" until the price reflected what I was willing to pay. In this case, at least I had options. But as a consumer, you ALWAYS have the option to walk away. See how this works?

Good example of gun specifics: I saw a barely/gently used Remy 700ADL .243 with a "bargain" scope a few months ago. He was asking $450, but it HAD a scope, so it was ready to shoot out the door. He sold it for $425. At the show last week (different guy), I saw the same rifle (not THE same one), no scope or rings, and a lot more used, priced at $490. I asked if that was the best he could do for a cash price, and he looked at me as though I kicked his cat. "That's the best I can do, I gotta have that price" were his exact words. I smiled, put it down and walked away. He didn't call out to me or attempt to deal with me as I walked away. Someone else can buy it. If you don't buy it or don't think it's worth the price, then WALK AWAY, and you didn't get ripped off. Just my .02
 
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I was at a show this past Friday and saw lots of things I wanted, and could have paid for, but was UNWILLING to pay their price. Was I ripped off?

Only by the people who sold you the ticket to get in.:)

That's what I mean: if I were an operator, I'd be very concerned about revenues next year.
 
I'm always amused by people who say you can't find a good deal at a gunshow.

They are obviously doing it wrong, which works out great for me...
 
When a buisness model is to win the lotto by hoping for an ingnorant consumers, they really are not looking to succeed. IMO many GS sellers do it for fun, and obviously are not interested doing any sales volume, or building repeat business.
 
Gun shows are relative, like everything else, there's good with the bad! Now if you wish to encounter inflated prices, I'd suggest you enter one of "Bill's Gun shop's" two locations and check out their prices on a new AR,
1. Bushmaster XM15-E2S=$1350.00
2. Colt's 6920=$1700.00
3. DPMS AP4=$1150.00
4. S&W M&P=$1150.00
5. Stag Arms=$1199.00
But hey, they'll toss in a free range pass good for one hours worth of shooting if you break down & ante-up! :)
 
I made the mistake of overpaying for some ammunition a couple of years ago at the Pawn/gun shop closest to my house a couple of years ago. Then after that I was shopping for a gun & went back in to look around. His prices were fifty dollars higher than anywhere else in the area. When I was leaving one of his employees asked if he could help me. I told him no as they were overpriced. The employee told me if I would haggle they would come down on price. I left. If I want to buy a gun I drive to one of the neighboring towns to look. I avoid going in to that shop if I can get what I need anywhere else. In my opinion that guy is a gouger. You can call it whatever you want but if he goes out of business it wouldn't bother me a bit.
As far as gunshows there are usually deals there but you have to know what prices are running & be willing to dig. The last gun I bought at a show I walked by and looked at then came back an hour later & the price had dropped. My usual rule is to walk the show & look at everything once before I buy unless you just see an outrageous deal.
 
I just went to a small gunshow yesterday in NC. Deals were to be had on just about every table. Not every item mind you but there were deals to be had. I saw p-3at's for $230 a table full of glocks in the mid $400 range. I bought a Taurus TCP for 310 otd. I also got some gold dots for it for $21 a box. As for ammo if you can't find a reasonable price you aren't trying hard enough. Research prices on-line before you go to a show and take cold hard cash. If you can't haggle a deal at the show buy on-line or make the best decision a gun enthusiast can and get started reloading.
I think we are in a transitional stage on the price and shortage of wares. Shortages and excessively high prices are only regional now. Do research, buy smart, and stop complaining. The best thing to do if you want to battle high price is to not buy from those vendors.
 
Got a Bersa Ultra Compact ANIB for $240, and a S&W 15-3 for $240, not bad, not great, but still plenty good. They were both private sales. When I go to the gunshows I only look at the private sales. I just molest all the FFL dealers guns.
 
I haven't seen a used SKS for under $400, unless it was so beat up or missing so many parts that the total after repairs would be more than that.
 
Some dealers haven't accepted that the post-Obama prices are a thing of the past. Last show I saw a beat up WASR-10 for $699, on the other side of the show another dealer had one NIB for $379! Pretty good price as I paid $350 for mine 3 years ago.

Mosins weren't too bad ranging from $110-$200, new guns were comparable to gunbroker after shipping and FFL fees. I've been wanting a nice Yugo SKS, but all I saw were priced higher than AKs.

ARs have come down alot. I saw a table of stripped lowers for $80, but another table selling complete lowers for $275! None of the big ammo dealers showed up, the only bulk ammo available was a few cases of 5.56 and 7.62x54r. No bulk pistol ammo to speak of. One big reloading seller was there, but prices were the same as retail stores. Powder was flying off the shelves though, simply because of the selection and availability.

Collectors pieces are reasonable, and good deals can be found on magazines and accessories. You can probably find a better deal on most things on gunbroker, but I'm willing to pay an extra $10-20 to be able to handle and inspect the gun or item before I buy.
 
I'm convinced those are the prices now. If you have to look near and far to proove otherwise, you found a private sale which would be about a 20 per cent less than retail; same as a used car or a used musical instrument. It would be like paying 200k more for a house a few years ago. Things change. I'm sure there are exceptions and desperate sellers but, uncertain times, bad economy, stress in our lives now more than in recent years, plus gun grabbing government in charge means prices are up and I bet for awhile too.

Although I know what you mean. I couldn't believe a MAK 90 was 190 dollars in the early '90s and in 2008 dollars (the highest year the calc goes) it comes out to about 380 dollars; that means they've been marked up by almost 100%; I saw one in a shop yesterday for 700 dollars! :eek:
 
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Went to the Nations Gun Show in Chantilly VA on Sat. Meant to go back today, but got derailed. Ammo prices seem to be coming down a bit on average, particularly for 7.62 and 5.45 ammo. .308 still seems to be up there. Picked up a few boxes Prvi Partizan makarov pistol ammo.

I was there to pretty much look at Sig rifles, 1911s and black rifle accessories (mags and Magpul stuff). Sig 556 rifle prices were rather high ($1999 for the Sig Classic). 1911 prices were as expected, though I saw a number of good buys for the basic Springfield GI-45 (hovering around $525-$545. Saw a Colt 1911 reproduction for $789, but couldn't tell if it was pre-owned or not (probably at that price). Magpul PRS and ACR stock pricing was at MSRP, so no deals there. Some deals for Magpul 30 rd mags though.

I guess i'm coming to the realization that my income is being outpaced by the overall cost of living. My gun collecting abilities are going to be drastically curtailed for 2010 and maybe beyond. That's as much a statement on the general economy as much as the prices of firearms and ammunition.

Rather that complain about pricing (it is what it is...), I'll give a growl for something else - the increasing lack of manners and basic common sense at these shows. I noted in a thread some months back about getting a shotgun barrel thrust into my face (and my daughters). Well that certainly didn't improve (though I had the forethought not to bring the kids again). Granted, the hordes flocked to the show likely after having been cooped up for a week by the snow. But still..
 
PavePusher- Saw a garden variety SKS yesterday that looked good tagged at $275.
 
Gun shows around here seem to always be packed with folks. I haven't ever found a good deal on a gun from a dealer there; it seems to be more of a meeting place with a cover charge for gun owners who want to sell or buy. There's always a large gaggle of folks holding guns and for sale signs. That's where you get the best prices. Heck, I've gone in nice weather and just patrolled the line of folks waiting to get in and have bought right there, saving both of us the $8 entrance fee!

I have gotten some astounding deals and also some fair deals for things I really wanted at gun shows with private sellers. Unless it's a great price, why would I bother going through the hassle of the paperwork from an FFL at a gunshow when mine down the road can order the same gun?

Yes, prices at our shows from dealers are still too high and there is reluctance for them to come down; but ultimately they'll have to. In theory, by the end of the show when they need to pack up and leave, I bet you could get a good deal. But I never wait that long.
 
I remember my first show was around the time all of the surplus yugo SKS were coming out. All throughout the hall there were crates of surplus weapons for around $100 each. Now guns and ammo are both overpriced. The only one I go to anymore is the full auto show at the York PA fairgrounds to ogle all of the nice weapons.
 
Actually, I did the same thing as Lead council a decade ago, got out of the car and was approached, by a ccw permit holder who bought my gun before I got inside. The best part was he paid what I asked.
 
I wish everyone hear would take a minute and reread post #35 from poster RC45. He has a new slant on all the complaining about GSs and the prices.

If you are looking at popular guns like ARs, 1911s, Glocks and others of this type you aren't normally going to find a smoking deal. If you won't pay what the dealer wants for one of these guns then the next guy will. Even though prices have fallen some of these guns may be overstock the dealer has and the prices may reflect a slim margin of profit over what he paid for it during the panic. He simply may not have any wiggle room left.

Like some of the 22 ammo that was apparently WM buys that is no longer selling at a 100% mark up. It wasn't selling at a break even price either ( which is what of people have hoped for).

If what a dealer is willing to give you for your gun is an insult then don't ever get into guitars, model airplanes, cars, or sports stuff. You are doing well to get fifty cents on the dollar for most of it.
 
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