RobMoore
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The problem with gunshows is that the sellers have no interest in dealing with an informed buyer, because they know there are 10 suckers right behind you who will pay their inflated prices for substandard product.
Saw lots of nice $300 guns at the show...
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hometheaterman
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I went to a local shop that I don't particularly like. A buddy wanted to go so I went with him. To my surprise they had a lot of .380 ammo. I was surprised since I thought it was so rare. It was priced around $22 or so I think for the 20 rounds of hollow points. I can't remember all the prices but it wasn't super outrageous I didn't think. I didn't look too hard as I don't have a .380. Walmart is the only place I don't see much ammo.
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And you need to get out of that Econ class and into a Philosophy class, because you're spouting ontological nonsense.
You've destroyed the concept of "gouging," as, in your argument, there can be no gouging in a voluntary exchange. You've therefore proffered the fallacy of the self-sealing argument. Despite your feint, the concept of gouging yet exists as a widely understood concept, and payments made in a gouging transaction must necessarily be voluntary, or we'd be discussing theft or extortion, so your appeals to voluntariness are revealed as a canard.
Economics may be allowed to coin some terms, but that discipline is not the master of either Logic or the Rules of Inference. It is not allowed to establish empty concepts or set up straw men. If a set can have no members, then the set does not exist.
While you may be correct in stammering that $50 for primers is not quite gouging, your methodology is inaccurate. Governor Jeb Bush was quite insistent that charging $500 for a $50 hotel room to travelers escaping a hurricane was gouging, and his interpretation seems to comport with the common understanding of the term. Sure, people may voluntarily pay $500 for that hotel room or $30 for that gallon of gas, but these were still instances of gouging.
Sheesh, this is basic stuff.
22-rimfire
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Those $300 guns seem to become $400 guns just before hunting season at gunshows. That is a classic case of supply and demand. That's just fine with me.
smoking357
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Gun shows are more often than not a waste of time. It's far better to build a relationship with a local retailer.
NinjaFeint
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I buy at the local stores. I only go to gun and trade shows for the jerky, junk items and to see people in wolf shirts. Someone mentioned Frost Cutlery which I had forgotten all about not having been to a show in a while.
hadmanysons
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Seriously, I had 3 people try to buy my carry piece of me for %75 of what I paid for it. HA! I thought gun shows we're the place to go!?! I went in for a gun, came out with some powder and a tazer.
SaxonPig, what time did you go? We must have passed each other
SaxonPig, what time did you go? We must have passed each other
Palehorseman
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Ripped off? I hear the same thing about gun shops, but one just has to look and wait for that bargain.
The other day the wife picked up a NIB all steel Bersa Model 85 .380 (13 stacker) at a gun shop for $200.00. We have dealt with this dealer for years and he is normally pretty high on most stuff, but have still managed to get some dammed good bargains occasionally.
The other day the wife picked up a NIB all steel Bersa Model 85 .380 (13 stacker) at a gun shop for $200.00. We have dealt with this dealer for years and he is normally pretty high on most stuff, but have still managed to get some dammed good bargains occasionally.
I enjoy gunshows for the freedoms and excercising of rights they represent.
What a fantastic event - the free trade pf goods and services (in this case, weapons and ammunition) that are either outlawed or strictly controlled in other countries.
It is really a celebration of all things American and represents many of the reasons I emmigrated to the USA.
Free enterprise.
The right to keep and bear arms.
The right to free assembly.
The right to property ownership.
etc etc etc
Folks, you need to look at the big picture here and hope that overpriced, crowded, noisy gunshows do not become a thing of the past - either by way of draconian legislation or apathy.
What a fantastic event - the free trade pf goods and services (in this case, weapons and ammunition) that are either outlawed or strictly controlled in other countries.
It is really a celebration of all things American and represents many of the reasons I emmigrated to the USA.
Free enterprise.
The right to keep and bear arms.
The right to free assembly.
The right to property ownership.
etc etc etc
Folks, you need to look at the big picture here and hope that overpriced, crowded, noisy gunshows do not become a thing of the past - either by way of draconian legislation or apathy.
The Sarge
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I hardly know where to begin with you.....your obvious ignorance of basic economics is mind boggling. I guess what your trying to peddle here is that in the case of a voluntary purchase there can be no "price gouging"....oneounceload said:
I am familiar with "internet experts" and being an over 50 guy I also know not to argue with the ignorant......but you really need to find a community college and take a few 101 economics courses friend.
It is best to keep ones mouth shut and not confirm everybody's suspicion the one talking is ignorant of facts or even the basics of what he/she is arguing to be knowledgeable in.
If the beer truck breaks down and cannot deliver the beer to the remote bar out in the desert and the patrons are getting upset....I show up with cold beer I have stashed and start selling it for $15 per bottle and they line up happily to buy my overpriced beer....your saying I am not price gouging......of course I am.....it is a voluntary transaction....so your reasoning suggest I am not price gouging.....however most will disagree with you.....nuff on you...
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oneounceload said:
Did not see your post until just then....well put and accurate.smoking357 said:
CajunBass
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You think you're going to get a DEAL? You're kidding? You just PAID to get in the door. You WANT to buy something. Why should you get a deal?
I go to gun shows for the fun of it. I'm not looking for a "deal." I figure by the time I get there, if a "deal" existed in the first place, someone smarter than I am, with more money has beaten me to it.
I walk around, look at guns, talk about guns, watch people, maybe get a hot-dog and a coke. Then I leave. Where else can I do that all afternoon for $8.00? Cheapest entertainment I can find.
Once in a great while I'll buy something.
I go to gun shows for the fun of it. I'm not looking for a "deal." I figure by the time I get there, if a "deal" existed in the first place, someone smarter than I am, with more money has beaten me to it.
I walk around, look at guns, talk about guns, watch people, maybe get a hot-dog and a coke. Then I leave. Where else can I do that all afternoon for $8.00? Cheapest entertainment I can find.
Once in a great while I'll buy something.
Sav .250
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I go to Gun Shows look....... If I see something of interest, I`ll haggle price.
If that doesn`t work, then I move on. Nothing says I have to buy but it`s still a great place check stuff out.
If that doesn`t work, then I move on. Nothing says I have to buy but it`s still a great place check stuff out.
telomerase
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Yes, and he said that raising the price of plywood after the hurricane was "gouging". But he's wrong. Prices aren't handed down from the gods, they're determined by the buyers... if someone else is willing to buy that plywood (or gun) for more than you want to pay, it's not gouging.
In my experience, the best prices are from the line of people waiting to get in
smoking357
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Just because it's an operation of the market does not inoculate it from being gouging.Yes, and he said that raising the price of plywood after the hurricane was "gouging". But he's wrong. Prices aren't handed down from the gods, they're determined by the buyers... if someone else is willing to buy that plywood (or gun) for more than you want to pay, it's not gouging.
In my experience, the best prices are from the line of people waiting to get in
Just so. I've found great deals at gun and knife shows. You go in order to view and handle a great variety of weapons. Up to you to decide if you found a deal or not. Do your research and be prepared to haggle. The very best weapon I have was purchased at a gun show.
KAC1911
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Went to gun show Saturday in West Central FL and ammo and guns prices were up here too. Expecially ammo. Didn't see to many people buying, except cast lead bullets and the like. Guys(non vendors) horse trading in the aisles. Most of the factory ammo these guys had you can tell from the boxes have been in their gun locker/closet for some time, just trying to capitalize on the market.
Same stuff goes on in the groceery store just before all the big holidays. I refuse to pay those prices and just keep walking but not enough of us a willing to leave it on the shelf. If we all did this the consumer's would control the market not the retailers.
Same stuff goes on in the groceery store just before all the big holidays. I refuse to pay those prices and just keep walking but not enough of us a willing to leave it on the shelf. If we all did this the consumer's would control the market not the retailers.
Gerald in Ga
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You can't argue with post count.
( Get a grip friend, and stop whining.....NO one is ripping anyone off if they WILLINGLY pay the asking price. You say you ran a business, then you should know this to be true.
Let me repeat basic econ 101 AGAIN......there is NO rip off or gouging if you W I L L I N G L Y pay the price.....I hope I spelled it slowly enough for you to read that.....GEE ZUS....... )
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With a join date of April 2008 and a post count of 2806 ( that works out to be about 4 posts a day ) he must be an expert about what he posts about. You can't argue with that high post count. That number of posts alone makes him right. ( Wink, wink )
( Get a grip friend, and stop whining.....NO one is ripping anyone off if they WILLINGLY pay the asking price. You say you ran a business, then you should know this to be true.
Let me repeat basic econ 101 AGAIN......there is NO rip off or gouging if you W I L L I N G L Y pay the price.....I hope I spelled it slowly enough for you to read that.....GEE ZUS....... )
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With a join date of April 2008 and a post count of 2806 ( that works out to be about 4 posts a day ) he must be an expert about what he posts about. You can't argue with that high post count. That number of posts alone makes him right. ( Wink, wink )
The Sarge
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Post count=IQ? Really!
Nobody is whining.
We agree to disagree on the theory of gouging and economics.
Nobody is whining.
We agree to disagree on the theory of gouging and economics.
The Sarge
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Sorry Gerald...I missed the sarcasm.....LOL...agreed....enough of this....
Well, I didn't really intend to spark a slugfest.
IMO 95% of gun show guns are overpriced. But, you do get to see and handle the gun (that's a no-go with online buying) and you get to take it home right now (another advantage over Internet shopping) and you have to figure the cost of shipping and transfer fee in the cost of online buying.
Don't forget that you can also haggle with the dealer in person. I have rarely paid full asking price as most will negotiate at least somewhat.
Did see a couple of good ones (again, IMO). A shooter grade S&W Heavy Duty 38/44 at $395. I already have two of them or I would have bagged this one.
An Ithaca M49 .22 rifle. Wanted one as a kid and if I wasn't holding off on gun buying to pay off the mortgage right now I would have grabbed this one at $99.
Here are a couple of recent gun show purchases that I feel were good buys.
$200 & $210.
$400
$100
$210
$350
$110
$205 (Tried but failed to get him down to $200 from the $225 asking price.)
I think good deals can be found at gun shows. Like anything else, you have to put forth some effort.
IMO 95% of gun show guns are overpriced. But, you do get to see and handle the gun (that's a no-go with online buying) and you get to take it home right now (another advantage over Internet shopping) and you have to figure the cost of shipping and transfer fee in the cost of online buying.
Don't forget that you can also haggle with the dealer in person. I have rarely paid full asking price as most will negotiate at least somewhat.
Did see a couple of good ones (again, IMO). A shooter grade S&W Heavy Duty 38/44 at $395. I already have two of them or I would have bagged this one.
An Ithaca M49 .22 rifle. Wanted one as a kid and if I wasn't holding off on gun buying to pay off the mortgage right now I would have grabbed this one at $99.
Here are a couple of recent gun show purchases that I feel were good buys.
$200 & $210.
$400
$100
$210
$350
$110
$205 (Tried but failed to get him down to $200 from the $225 asking price.)
I think good deals can be found at gun shows. Like anything else, you have to put forth some effort.
It's an enjoyable learning experience for me. I admit that I have paid too much for a gun in the past, in someone else's estimation, but I have enjoyed what I took home. Other times I have later regretted not paying what seemed like too much at the time. And every gun I have sold has gone too cheap!
It is fun to watch the different methods of negotiating. I learned long ago that any illusion of getting the better of an experienced gun trader was a tribute to his or her skill. I never could understand what caused folks to think that a dealer owed them a sweet deal.
It is fun to watch the different methods of negotiating. I learned long ago that any illusion of getting the better of an experienced gun trader was a tribute to his or her skill. I never could understand what caused folks to think that a dealer owed them a sweet deal.
Supply and Demand are working fine, evidently. People can ask for whatever price they want. Buyers can laugh and leave.
I'd be concerned if I were a gun show operator. These people will not come back next time around and pay for a ticket, if they don't expect to find anything worth buying. I haven't been back in a while, myself, for that very reason. I might as well just go to a gun shop and save myself the nuisance of going to a gun show (and paying to get in, no less). My time is worth something, too.
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