What the @#$^#$# is wrong with people?!

[Zundfolge]

If the anti-gunners would put half the effort into eduating people that they do in telling us how evil guns are, tragedies due to, what should be common sense, could be avoided.

Why on earth would antis want to do that ... crap like this is like manna from heaven to them.

Antis don't care about safety, they care about banning guns.

 

[SodiumBenzoate]

I'm only 13, yet even I know that one shouldn't put their damn finger near the trigger while checking to see if the thing is loaded.

That said, I also know that the easiest way to make sure a weapon is unloaded is to keep working the action until nothing comes out, and if nothing comes out the first time, to rack it again.

 

[artherd]

Accident my ass.

 

[pbhome71]

update...

involuntary manslaughter + felony firearm.

http://www.freep.com/news/statewire/sw95328_20040329.htm

The little girl was not her daughter.

 

[Waitone]

Brady // VPC will make sure the story never dies.

 

[TCD]

To the person who commented about the Darwin comment.


The way I read the original poster's comment about Darwin getting his ass kicked was along the lines of natural selection failing in this case. Or as the other person suggested that the "Darwin Awards" go to people who do stupid things and die because of it. Not stupid actions that kill other innocent people.

 

[geegee]

I would think it to be common-*blanking*-sense not to point the barrel at an infant while you fiddle with it!

If you hand a toy gun (much lesss, a real one) to someone who never handles them, they immediately put their finger on the trigger, as though it's in some way a part of a carrying handle. They never make the connection to their dangerous behavior, which is hard for us to believe, but they never consider it. The notion that there really are hard and fast rules for gun handling never crosses their minds. After a tragedy like this occurs, their first response is to blame the inherent danger of guns- never the lack of safety exhibited by the person who mis-handled the firearm.

 

[Moparmike]

Even if you don't know the first thing about guns, I would think it to be common-*blanking*-sense not to point the barrel at an infant while you fiddle with it!

My sister was shooting my stepdad's Marlin 60, and she said she was done but it wasnt empty. I told her to unload it by shooting it dry. So in the process of unloading (which she thought meant to pull the slide), she swept me, my stepdad, the house, and my car. All with hands flying all over the gun and trigger guard. She is 19, and has handled firearms before.

What I find fascinating is how many people are taught to handle or shoot firearms that have no idea why not following the 4 rules is bad. She had no idea what muzzle control was. I wanted to scream and hit the deck.



Just goes to show that it could happen to anyone. But for some reason, like others pointed out, humans seem to need to fiddle with something dangerous.:banghead:

 

[whm1974]

quote:Even if you don't know the first thing about guns, I would think it to be common-*blanking*-sense not to point the barrel at an infant while you fiddle with it!

My sister was shooting my stepdad's Marlin 60, and she said she was done but it wasnt empty. I told her to unload it by shooting it dry. So in the process of unloading (which she thought meant to pull the slide), she swept me, my stepdad, the house, and my car. All with hands flying all over the gun and trigger guard. She is 19, and has handled firearms before.

What I find fascinating is how many people are taught to handle or shoot firearms that have no idea why not following the 4 rules is bad. She had no idea what muzzle control was. I wanted to scream and hit the deck.

Just goes to show that it could happen to anyone. But for some reason, like others pointed out, humans seem to need to fiddle with something dangerous.

I learned muzzel control and keeping the finger of the trigger early since my stepfather and both uncles had a habit of keeping loaded guns all over the house, and not to mention the "always assume the gun is loaded" as well.

I have a 1911 airsoft bb gun and from seeing the way some of my friends handle it, I wouldn't trust them with a real gun.

Bill Meadows

 

[Zach S]

I forgot to add the lady was cleaning the house at 4AM is what news said who cleans at 4 am ?

Not a large part of the population, but still a good bit of people. Insomniacs. People who work third shift, some who work second, and very few that work on first shift (that sleep in the afternoon/evening after work instead of at night). A lot of my friends fall into one catagory, I've been in them all.

Simply put, night people.

After reading the second article I have to wonder:

What make/model was the shotgun? I can't pump-shoot my Mossberg 500, dont think I could with the 870 I had either. You had to rack it, and then pull the trigger. Same with a buddie's winchester 1300 IIRC. Another friend of mine can pump-shoot his Ithica, however Mossberg/Remington/Winchester seems more popular among freinds and acquaintances.

Did the 46 y/o woman own the gun, screw up royaly, and just htink of the "I jsut found it" story to try and cover her rear, or did the 17 y/o mother own it illegaly?

Was the victim 1 or 2 y/o?

 

[HankB]

That may be a bit harsh. Those not versed in firearms, usually have no concept of the 4 rules, or any safety for that matter.

I disagree.

IMHO it should NOT take an "expert" with firearms to realize that pointing a real gun at someone while your finger is on the trigger is a bad thing to do.

This incident ought to be prosecuted criminally.

 

[CannibalCrowley]

Update

This incident ought to be prosecuted criminally.

She is being Prosecuted

Woman arraigned in death of toddler
A Detroit womanwho shot and killed an 18-month-old girl over the weekend was arraigned Tuesday in 36th District Court and released on a personal bond.

Tonya Hardaway, 46, was at the 7th (Mack) Precinct, where she turned herself in to police. Magistrate Thomas Shannon conducted a video arraignment from the court building.

Hardaway wept as Shannon read the charges against her.

She has been charged with involuntary manslaughter and using a firearm in the commission of a felony in what she said was the accidental death Sunday of Dai'Janell Clark. She told police she was trying to determine whether her shotgun was loaded when it went off, striking Dai'Janell in the head. By Cecil Angel

http://www.freep.com/news/statewire/sw95328_20040329.htm

 

[iapetus]

Moparmike

Just goes to show that it could happen to anyone. But for some reason, like others pointed out, humans seem to need to fiddle with something dangerous.

The senior wizards of the Unseen University stood and looked at the door.

There was no doubt that whoever had shut it wanted it to stay shut. Dozens of nails secured it to the door frame. Planks had been nailed right across. And finally it had, up until this morning, been hidden by a bookcase that had been put in front of it.

'And there's the sign, Ridcully,' said the Dean. 'You have read it, I assume. You know? The sign that says "Do not, under any circumstances, open this door"?'

'Of course I've read it,' said Ridcully. 'Why d'yer think I want it opened?'

'Er... why?' said the Lecturer in Recent Runes.

'To see why they wanted it shut, of course.'*


* This exchange contains almost all you need to know about human civilization. At least, those bits that are now under the sea, fenced off or still smoking.

(Terry Pratchet, Hogfather)

 

[Ky Larry]

Human intelligence is finite and limited. Human stupidity has no boundries.

 

[Michigander]

Until all the facts come out in this case (if ever), I will consider this the same way I consider the occasional report in the paper about a person who "accidentally" shot himself to death while "cleaning" his firearm. Nope. Don't buy it.

 

[Hook]

Won't be long and the lawsuits will come out against the manufacturer of the shotgun.


Hook