I have probably sent somewhere around 10,000 federal #8 loads skyward throughout a years worth of trap shooting, at $15 per 100, a couple hundred of the remington 00 buck loads $8 per15 value pack. and maybe 50 of the value pack slugs at a couple target ranges. Sure there are better loads, but none of the cheaper ones shoot all that well and the brennekes and fed tacticals don't soot all that much better than these 2 3/4" wal-mart value packs for informal practice. I have shot no more than 10 of the 3" super-x slugs or 15pellet 00 buck, my shoulder can't take more than a couple and I can't see much use for them outside of hunting or bragging rights at the range. The key is using the loads that both shoot and function well, but allow the most trigger time per dollar, then experiment with some of the TAP or fed tacticals loads and see how they compare, in my case with an 870 express 18"IC for 00 and slugs and 24"M for #8 the high dollar loads hit the same place, but just pattern a little tighter