SoCalShooter
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I am definetly impressed.
What we fear
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Molon Labe
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Frankenstein doesn't scare me!! But marsupials do...
Art Eatman
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I got all messed up, I guess. I just haven't really found anything of which to be scared. Aw, like most Texas folks, maybe a Catholic with a football or a Yankee with a U-Haul...
I was stationed in Paris in 1957 during the Hungarian crisis. Top Secret clearance, so I read a lot of non-newspaper stuff as a lowly documents-control clerk. But I watched multi-star generals look worried about ICBMs. Ever since then I've been a bit hard to scare.
TB didn't kill me, and I've had a race car wrong-end-to at 150 or so, and then cancer failed to do me in.
I'm sorta blase about a lot of stuff that makes folks nervous.
But fear sells, whether it's the Guvmint, the NRA or the Brady Bunch: It's all about "They"...
Scroom.
Art
I was stationed in Paris in 1957 during the Hungarian crisis. Top Secret clearance, so I read a lot of non-newspaper stuff as a lowly documents-control clerk. But I watched multi-star generals look worried about ICBMs. Ever since then I've been a bit hard to scare.
TB didn't kill me, and I've had a race car wrong-end-to at 150 or so, and then cancer failed to do me in.
I'm sorta blase about a lot of stuff that makes folks nervous.
But fear sells, whether it's the Guvmint, the NRA or the Brady Bunch: It's all about "They"...
Scroom.
Art
otcconan
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No need to fear Jehovah's Witnesses. Just answer the door while you're cleaning your Ruger Single-Six. Or polishing your 3 foot broadsword.
Turkey Creek
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My biggest fear lately is Paris Hilton 
glocktoberfest
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TECUMSEH
are you one of those that also refuse to remove you cap during the playing of our National Anthem ?
Tomcat47
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Tecumseh...... What can I say?
This is America! It was not founded upon Allah or Islam for that matter, and should we pledge allegiance to our country? YES! the government? NO
We are bound to uphold laws set in place, but remeber "We The People"
We elect the leaders and we remove them also!
As for prayer in schools... (or the lack of it) has created a Godless society in this country, which was founded upon the belief in God. This has led to the moral decay in which we live presently in which the minority opressess the majority! And the majority B@%#!*S about it but does nothing about it!
As for myself, I taught my children about God, Right from Wrong, Patriotism & the importance of it! I taught them of freedom, the price that is paid for it! I also taught them to respect leaders, teachers, elders and the president of the United States Regardless of politics.
There are cultures that literally risk their life and some die to get here, just to taste the freedom we so often take for granted. Then we allowed leaders to opress our childrens education so as to not offend the visitors, when we shoud have exclaimed This is one nation under God....If you are offended.. Go Home...!Instead we culled like a dog and said OK! we wont say the word God no more because it offends you.
In my day I never had a particular religion forced upon me in school. They were always just telling the stories of old in general that put a thought of God in our heads, and for some reason we never had gang initiations of killing the pizza delivery man on friday night to be accepted.
We the people are responsible for letting this country get out of control. And seems like we have just thrown in the towel.
Yes the good old days had there problems, but if anyone can say those times were in more diobedience or moral decay and lack of respect, they need to wake up, open their eyes and stop pretending.
When the time for action has come...The time for preperation has passed!
This is America! It was not founded upon Allah or Islam for that matter, and should we pledge allegiance to our country? YES! the government? NO
We are bound to uphold laws set in place, but remeber "We The People"
We elect the leaders and we remove them also!
As for prayer in schools... (or the lack of it) has created a Godless society in this country, which was founded upon the belief in God. This has led to the moral decay in which we live presently in which the minority opressess the majority! And the majority B@%#!*S about it but does nothing about it!
As for myself, I taught my children about God, Right from Wrong, Patriotism & the importance of it! I taught them of freedom, the price that is paid for it! I also taught them to respect leaders, teachers, elders and the president of the United States Regardless of politics.
There are cultures that literally risk their life and some die to get here, just to taste the freedom we so often take for granted. Then we allowed leaders to opress our childrens education so as to not offend the visitors, when we shoud have exclaimed This is one nation under God....If you are offended.. Go Home...!Instead we culled like a dog and said OK! we wont say the word God no more because it offends you.
In my day I never had a particular religion forced upon me in school. They were always just telling the stories of old in general that put a thought of God in our heads, and for some reason we never had gang initiations of killing the pizza delivery man on friday night to be accepted.
We the people are responsible for letting this country get out of control. And seems like we have just thrown in the towel.
Yes the good old days had there problems, but if anyone can say those times were in more diobedience or moral decay and lack of respect, they need to wake up, open their eyes and stop pretending.
When the time for action has come...The time for preperation has passed!
Zor Omega
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wow I'm even more scared afte reading this!
That is just a ridiculous statement to make. I'm old enough to remember when there was prayer in school. My religious instruction came not from the silly school prayer before snack, but from family, Sunday School, and church. Those institutions must be doing a piss-poor job of teaching religion if all it takes is not having a government-mandated prayer in school to "create a Godless society."
I was a public school teacher for 33 years. It was my job to help your kid learn to do math. It's your job to do the religion thing, which I'm sure you'll do much better than I would.
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Tomcat47
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On the contrary....Kentak....I was not attacking your teaching ability! And I appreciate you teaching math to the kiddies!
However I did not say I wanted government to mandate a prayer..they did not mandate ours!
No prayer is silly!
And yes We as parents do the job of teaching our children about God.
But God & or the brief discussion of God in the school room of the past helped to assure the respect you deserved as a teacher, which I doubt you get now if you still teach.
And no you are right....that alone did not create the Godless society...it just helped start the snowball. I should have stated that it Helped to create...
However I did not say I wanted government to mandate a prayer..they did not mandate ours!
No prayer is silly!
And yes We as parents do the job of teaching our children about God.
But God & or the brief discussion of God in the school room of the past helped to assure the respect you deserved as a teacher, which I doubt you get now if you still teach.
And no you are right....that alone did not create the Godless society...it just helped start the snowball. I should have stated that it Helped to create...
James T Thomas
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obfuscation of thought
"Kentak:"
Since you have been retired for awhile, have you any idea what has become of this nation's public education system; it's curriculum?
You had taught reading, writing and arithmetic.
Now our daughters are taught how to place a condom on a bananna!
-But they seem unable to comprehend simple fractions; try getting 3/4 lb. of lunchmeat at the counter some time.
Our children are taught the new definition of tolerance: "Tolerate -that is the acceptance of the moral values they are taught in Sunday school as "hateful."
And do not "tolerate" any "hateful" Christians!
They are given confusion instead of rational thinking: "What is right for you may not be right for me." It is in reference to logic, and the foundation of right and wrong. Remember Cho?
"Tecumseh" was sceptical about the "good old days."
Well, did we have children mass murdering other children? Was the drug culture as prevalent as today? Etc. Compare and find a conclusion as to which you think is better.
If you do not want a religion "forced on your children," then what on earth do you think is being forced on the children of today? It's either the founding faith that established the United State of America and secured the blessings of Liberty for all the generations since then, or ...it's a "philosophy" -religion, any way you name it, of some one else. And just who is that some one else?
Recently, in the San Diego school district, a Moslem teacher has been brought into the schools to instruct the Moslem children; behind locked doors and drawn shades. The non Moslems have been removed from the "classrooms." This teacher is being paid by government tax money.
Where are you "Tecumseh?" If the politically incorrect teacher of old were to attempt this the repercussions would be head line news. Do you have any idea who or what these children -living in America and benefiting from it's blood bought freedom; are pledging their allegiance to?
"Kentak:"
Since you have been retired for awhile, have you any idea what has become of this nation's public education system; it's curriculum?
You had taught reading, writing and arithmetic.
Now our daughters are taught how to place a condom on a bananna!
-But they seem unable to comprehend simple fractions; try getting 3/4 lb. of lunchmeat at the counter some time.
Our children are taught the new definition of tolerance: "Tolerate -that is the acceptance of the moral values they are taught in Sunday school as "hateful."
And do not "tolerate" any "hateful" Christians!
They are given confusion instead of rational thinking: "What is right for you may not be right for me." It is in reference to logic, and the foundation of right and wrong. Remember Cho?
"Tecumseh" was sceptical about the "good old days."
Well, did we have children mass murdering other children? Was the drug culture as prevalent as today? Etc. Compare and find a conclusion as to which you think is better.
If you do not want a religion "forced on your children," then what on earth do you think is being forced on the children of today? It's either the founding faith that established the United State of America and secured the blessings of Liberty for all the generations since then, or ...it's a "philosophy" -religion, any way you name it, of some one else. And just who is that some one else?
Recently, in the San Diego school district, a Moslem teacher has been brought into the schools to instruct the Moslem children; behind locked doors and drawn shades. The non Moslems have been removed from the "classrooms." This teacher is being paid by government tax money.
Where are you "Tecumseh?" If the politically incorrect teacher of old were to attempt this the repercussions would be head line news. Do you have any idea who or what these children -living in America and benefiting from it's blood bought freedom; are pledging their allegiance to?
glockman19
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I fear Politicians more than any other group around.
hankdatank1362
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I pledge my allegiance to the flag
of The United States of America,
and to the Republic, for which it stands.
One nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all.
Nowhere in there does it say anything about pledging allegiance to the government, but rather to the ideals and philosophy that this great nation was founded upon.
All the whiners (i.e. Muslim, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.) that presume this is akin to praying to a false God or worshiping an Idol or whatever their excuse is, are, quite frankly, full of it, and should not be allowed to enjoy further stay in this country.
No one is forcing you to pray to a Christian God. But if your allegiance doesn't lie with truth, justice, and the American way, you need to be somewhere else.
of The United States of America,
and to the Republic, for which it stands.
One nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all.
Nowhere in there does it say anything about pledging allegiance to the government, but rather to the ideals and philosophy that this great nation was founded upon.
All the whiners (i.e. Muslim, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.) that presume this is akin to praying to a false God or worshiping an Idol or whatever their excuse is, are, quite frankly, full of it, and should not be allowed to enjoy further stay in this country.
No one is forcing you to pray to a Christian God. But if your allegiance doesn't lie with truth, justice, and the American way, you need to be somewhere else.
Molon Labe
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My only fear is not having enough ammo when the balloon goes up.
TallPine
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Lions*
Tigers
Bears
* this one isn't just a joke, we had a cougar just outside our front door last nite
Tigers
Bears
* this one isn't just a joke, we had a cougar just outside our front door last nite
walking arsenal
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Me too. Because they're fast!!
SoCalShooter
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Last time I checked whilst freedom of religion is mentioned it was more the freedom from oppression and the WILL to have liberty that really founded this country. As for god in the classroom, it does not belong there, it belongs at home where values start! Lets not get the whole religion is the only reason this country was founded. While all the founding fathers were well religious and believe it had its place they understood its dangers also.
Tomcat47
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The American's Creed
I believe in the United States of America as a Government of the People, by the People, for the People; whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed; A democracy in a republic, a sovereign Nation of many Sovereign States; a perfect Union, one and inseparable; established upon those principles of Freedom, Equality, Justice, and Humanity for which American Patriots sacrificed their Lives and Fortunes.
I therefore believe it is my duty to my country to Love it; to Support its Constitution; to obey its laws; to Respect its Flag; and to defend it against all enemies.
For all Americans that do not have a copy of this, the Pledge of Allegiance, and the United States Constitution.....You Should! We can look at any of them any time! They are inside the Family Bible on the Living room table!
And also I think the forefathers of this country were led by the hand of God to create what we have......and maybe some of them were less religous than we know, but they still placed in motion a land like no other! One that all nations flow unto it.....thats not irony by the way.
I believe in the United States of America as a Government of the People, by the People, for the People; whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed; A democracy in a republic, a sovereign Nation of many Sovereign States; a perfect Union, one and inseparable; established upon those principles of Freedom, Equality, Justice, and Humanity for which American Patriots sacrificed their Lives and Fortunes.
I therefore believe it is my duty to my country to Love it; to Support its Constitution; to obey its laws; to Respect its Flag; and to defend it against all enemies.
For all Americans that do not have a copy of this, the Pledge of Allegiance, and the United States Constitution.....You Should! We can look at any of them any time! They are inside the Family Bible on the Living room table!
And also I think the forefathers of this country were led by the hand of God to create what we have......and maybe some of them were less religous than we know, but they still placed in motion a land like no other! One that all nations flow unto it.....thats not irony by the way.
Baba Louie
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Fear?
Mob mentality or group think... some call it the "Hive mind". It is not my "cultural norm".
Anyone who plays on the Fear Card to foment mob mentality in a direction that says it's OK to peel away civil liberties a little at a time.
Maroons in power. (Well, it's not so much I fear them, I distrust them and their actions)
Finally, people who "fear" too much. Life isn't safe.
Oh yeah, and some spiders.
Mob mentality or group think... some call it the "Hive mind". It is not my "cultural norm".
Anyone who plays on the Fear Card to foment mob mentality in a direction that says it's OK to peel away civil liberties a little at a time.
Maroons in power. (Well, it's not so much I fear them, I distrust them and their actions)
Finally, people who "fear" too much. Life isn't safe.
Oh yeah, and some spiders.
TallPine
Member
I'll pass on that one, thank you
James T--
One of my favorite things to do is order a pint of potato salad at the deli counter from one of the kids. He or she will look at me blankly for a little bit and then ask, "Do you mean a pound?" I say, "Naah. I don't care how much it weighs, I just want a pint." (I should point out, that the plastic tubs they use in the deli are based on volume, not weight. They are 1/2 pint, pint, and quart sizes. But, the help isn't aware of that. They are told which ones to use for half pound, pound, etc.) Even some of the older help doesn't seem to know this.
No, I haven't been out of the classroom more than a few years, so, I know what the situation is like. I packed away the chalk after 33 years. A couple more, and I could have gotten a considerable bump in the pension. But, it was a matter of physical and mental health--dealing with the stress and toro-poop. Trying to maintain standards of behavior and scholarship with a population that, for many, didn't seem to care.
Yes, the curriculum does, in many cases, leave a lot to be desired, as do the teaching methods that sometimes are mandated. But, please do understand that public education is not monolithic across the country. There are many fine schools and excellent programs. Much of it is cultural. Schools in communities with educated, involved parents who haven't abandoned their role and responsibility, do very well. Sometimes, schools get a bad rap when the outrageous stuff makes the news, and all get painted with the same brush. I don't want to butt heads with you over the religion in school issue--I'm a strong believer in the concept that firm sep of church and state is for *everyone's* protection against govt intrusion into areas of individual liberty.
Anyway, go order that pint of potato salad.
K
RandyC
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"... maybe a Catholic with a football or a Yankee with a U-haul."
Now that cracked me up.
Now that cracked me up.
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