What will be the next "Vermont Carry" State?

[MatthewVanitas]

Greetings. As many have noted, as of last summer, Alaska permits anyone who legally owns a handgun to carry said handgun concealed with no paperwork required. This mimics Vermont's much older law, thus the term "Vermont Carry". (Check out www.packing.org for this, and other, exciting fun facts)

So, my question is: which state will be next?

It appears that, in almost all locations, the cause of CCW is steadily pressing forward. The "Shall Issue" trend has increased every year, will "Vermont Carry" follow in its wake?

I vaguely recall having heard rumours that New Hampshire was considering such. Any truth to that? Has any legislator suggested such a move in Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, or other such bastions of independence?

Your comments always appreciated. -MV

 

[Jim March]

South Dakota *would* have long ago, 'cept for Sturgis.

Hmmm.

Idaho, maybe. New Hampster has potential. *Maybe* one of the smaller Southern states...

 

[Justin]

Possibly Wyoming. For something like this to happen, there needs to be a catylist.

 

[Bruce H]

California after the people there slam dunk ninety percent of the current legislature.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

*Maybe* one of the smaller Southern states...

I don't think so. In general the south is pretty easy on gun rights, but I don't think any southern state is going to do that.

 

[Bill St. Clair]

A Vermont carry bill passed the New Hampshire Senate a few months ago, but was defeated in the House. I have read about Vermont carry efforts in Utah, but don't know how close to reality it is there.

 

[Standing Wolf]

I'd guess Wyoming. It's a state with quite a few more cows than people, and even the cows are smarter than the average leftist elsewhere in the country.

 

[TechBrute]

There won't be another. CHL is a valuable income source.

 

[Reno]

Either WY or NH is my guess.

It'd be great if it were CO, and there were efforts made for it, but I think we just have too many CA transplants for it to happen any time soon.

 

[Firethorn]

Nebraska

After Senator Ernie Chambers's unexpected heart attack takes him out of the legeslative season... (Note:It's just a pipe dream).

 

[Moparmike]

Why not Virginia? They seem to be the anti-thesis of all the anti's. Its just another step...

 

[Justin]

It'd be great if it were CO, and there were efforts made for it, but I think we just have too many CA transplants for it to happen any time soon.

Unlikely anytime within the next five years, at least. It was hard enough to get state-wide shall issue carry approved. There are two major things that would work against it, and I can sum them up in two words: Denver, Columbine.

 

[Langenator]

My guesses would be New Hampshire, Wyoming, Idaho, or maybe Montana.

 

[insidious_calm]

Kansas

Kansas if we could just get a test case. Our constitution is identical to ohio's in regards to arms. The U.S. vs. Emerson case obliterated the current precedent because it mentions the Kansas case (salina v. Blaksly) by name and said the judges were on crack when they ruled(not really, but had pc not got in the way....) it was not an individual right. Emerson combined with Kline v. Leis makes for a strong case for vermont style carry.

I can't afford it right now. Anyone spare $100,000?


I.C.

 

[Correia]

Utah has tried it before and it has died each time. I don't see it happening here anytime soon.

 

[jAK-47]

Massachusetts! Kerry and Edwards are going to announce it in Boston this week at the DNC. Ted Kennedy will drive them to a bar after the announcement and Hillary will dance naked on the bar! Rosie O'Dogface will arrive with heavily-armed body guards to sit next to Michael Mooron.

Mao-tse-chusetts. Where the LAST "shot heard round the world" was fired over 200 years ago.

But, seriously, NH could happen in a couple of years...

jAK-47

 

[priv8ter]

Not so sure about that...

TechBrute said:

CHL is a valuable income source.

I'm not so sure about that. I know in some states, the fee is kind of high, and if you figure in certain required 'classes' it can mean money for some folks. But, in say Washington, Idaho or Wyoming, it cost around 60-70 dollars to get a permit.

I'm guessing that it just about covers the man/hour cost of issuing the permit.

Which, is cool with me. It's the kind of 'end user cover the cost' government system which makes the anti-tax Libertarian in me happy.

I can see something like this happening in Idaho, or Montana, or Wyoming.

greg

 

[gunsmith]

Arizona

 

[SUE ROVR]

Oklahoma or PA

 

[Firethorn]

At one point the NE proposal was a $100 fee. Over half was expected to be 'profit'. Actual costs were estimated at around $40 a permit, $33 of it investiative costs ($23 fed search $10 NE search).

 

[woerm]

Next, TX

I'm working on my st senator/misreptiles for Vermont Carry here in TX

ie,

why do we tax a right?

$140 fee for exercise of a civil (2nd ammnd right)

and that doesn't count the class itself upwards of $100

r

edit for class costs too, well training = well regulated.

r

 

[effengee]

THEY MENTIONED US ON THEHIGHROAD!!!

Many is the time I've crossed the border to N.H. with my pistol on my hip.
I've been removed from a store only once, and when I questioned the officer who was called to remove me from said department store (you can guess which -mart it was) about the firearms laws he said he didn't know.
So I informed him...

http://www.hollis.nh.us/police/gunlaws.htm

http://www.atg.state.vt.us/display.php?smod=21

However anyone who reads the V.T. law will see that it only regulates the carry of arms if they can prove you intend to commit a crime...
I don't carry solely for self defense, I carry for the "security of a free state."
The Vt. constitution, http://www.leg.state.vt.us/statutes/const2.htm signifies "the right to bear arms for self defence and that of the State."
If this means that local area businesses would rather not see my firearm, nor do business with me because I carry, that's their, well, business...
The V.T. Police will tell you that they prefer concealed carry because it keeps the tourists from being jumpy... READ my very 1st post here on THR.
The N.H. Police officer told me to lock it up in the car next time or just leave it home. I told him I'd rather never return to that store again...
He said that'd be O.K. too.
So, I haven't.
I still shop the -mart here in V.T. but I don't carry openly.
My Brother-in-law has been asked not to return to the store here with his firearm openly carried, so he tucks it under his shirt...
To the uninformed million moms and to the I-hate-guns types, that bulge is nothing more significant than a cell phone...
To the gun crowd, well, we just nod to each other and smile.

America, the B-E-A-Utiful

 

[corncob]

I love South Carolina, but I am pretty sure we won't get any kind of permit-less carry for 15 or 20 years. I hate it, but that's the way it is. There are tons of old gun laws on the books that were passed a long time ago to (surprise!) keep black peole from arming themselves. Every year the state gun rights groups get one or two repealed. Most of them aren't even enforced (yet). But the real problem is two-fold:

1. SLED (State Law Enforcement Division) pretty much has veto power in the legislature. If SLED won't sign off on it, enough elected things will invariably vote "Nay" and it doesn't get passed. And in SC, SLED likes to be in control.

2. The law here is written "It is unlawful for any person to possess a handgun except...." or something. It is a huge fight to get grammatical changes made to one of the exceptions (like being able to move your CCW from your concealed holster to a motorcycle saddlebag)--I can't imagine getting the whole text of that egregious law thrown out.

 

[Strings]

Oddly enough, it may very well be Wisconsin. Don't know if Monkeyleg will remember or not, but during the Assembly override session, one of the Reps (and I THINK it was a Dem) mentioned that our SC ruling was intentionally narrow: that the SC opinion advised the Legislature to pass some form of liscensing measure, to keep more cases from heading their way. Which sounds (to my layman's ear) like the SC would have to rule in favor of unregulated carry if such a case ever hits 'em...

 

[LAK]

Rep. Suzanna Gratia-Hupp tried very hard to get such a bill passed in Texas - HB 3398. However she did not get the necessary support at the time and it didn't get anywhere.

http://www.gunownersalliance.com/hupp-7.htm