What will you buy (scar vs 55X)

Buying a FN SCAR or Sig 55X

  • FN SCAR

    Votes: 35 52.2%

  • Sig 55X

    Votes: 32 47.8%
  • Total voters
    67
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I want the SIG so bad I did a bad photoshop mock-up

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Medusa said:
Greg that M4 stock on Sig is just butt ugly, IMHO.
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I agree, but it's more functional than the Sig's folder. The collapsible can change LOP, which is not only handy for different statures, but entry with body armor, etc. The folder is one size not fitting all.

There are TONS of good AR-style stocks tho, the Magpul 93, for instance would be dandy back there.
 
Agree, the Magpul 93 would surely look more than nice back there, IMHO the gun should at least try to look aestethic, beside functional, and putting first-thing-found on it doesn't serve the purpose besides just looking ugly.
 
AR styles are not the only thing out there.

HK made some very cool looking telescoping stocks that would look just fine.

I wouldn't assume it would be an AR style just yet :)
 
I'm surprised at the lack of mention of the Robinson XCR. I'll take the American over the Belgian or Swiss anyday. (and let's not turn this into a 'globalization' discussion--I don't care where FN makes that SCAR for SF--I'm discusted at the politcs of weapons procurement with the DOD, I fail to see where the SCAR trumps the XCR in any way) :)
 
I forgot about the XCR. Why didnt it win the contract? Think it will be cheaper than the SCAR?
 
I have been following the XCR for over a year now. Unfortunately the story has been exactly the same thoughout that entire time: "they will be shipping by the end of this month".

Its too bad, because I really like what the rifle has to offer on paper... its just a matter of how well the design can be executed by RA. For example, the M96 was somewhat problematic.

According to the current pricing guide on RA's website, an XCR fully equipped would run about $16XX. High, but still on par with, or lower than a similarly equipped AR-15.

IMO, the reason the XCR never had a chance in the SCAR trial was that RA simply isn't anywhere near large enough to supply the number of rifles, parts, and support that would be needed to successfully fill a large military contract.
 
ny32182 said:
I have been following the XCR for over a year now. Unfortunately the story has been exactly the same thoughout that entire time: "they will be shipping by the end of this month".

Its too bad, because I really like what the rifle has to offer on paper... its just a matter of how well the design can be executed by RA. For example, the M96 was somewhat problematic.

According to the current pricing guide on RA's website, an XCR fully equipped would run about $16XX. High, but still on par with, or lower than a similarly equipped AR-15.

IMO, the reason the XCR never had a chance in the SCAR trial was that RA simply isn't anywhere near large enough to supply the number of rifles, parts, and support that would be needed to successfully fill a large military contract.
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Thank sucks. Everything that is taking orders has to be pushed back damn near a year. What I need from the gun is reliability, resale value, and accuracy (no so much). On impact XCRs are $1200 or something.
 
From what I understand the decision for the SCAR over the XCR is purely political. The fact RA isn't a huge corporation like FN is lessened by the fact this was a SOCOM contract, it wasn't one for the entire Army. RA will do just fine with a relatively small contract for SOCOM. Look at bushmaster picking up the slack with M4 carbines on an even larger scale than the proposed SOCOM carbine...

FN, on the other hand, is stamped on the sides of most our M16s...
According to some reports FN has held up some M16 and M249 rebuild contract fulfilment while their products were under evaluation, and back channel threatened other slowdowns if their products werent selected.
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From the anarchangel blog. Not the NY Times or Jane's, but I've heard similar reports from other sources.

What sold me on the XCR? check out the videos on the RA website. I really like the barrel changing...from ar15 to ak in 40 seconds :) The scar can do this, that was the socom req, but again, i default to the fact the XCR is American designed, American built, etc. If you don't think that counts for anything (a lot!), I'd be really disappointed. Further, design-wise, i dont see ANYTHING on the scar that's inherently better...

THe civilian one has a factory 2 stage trigger and comes in at around $1200... great when you consider FN is trying to unload that FN2000 civ for like $2k with some odd overcomplicated brass ejection that I"m not keen on....and an ugly whale-like plastic body...
 
The XCR base price is around 1200, but once you start adding options like ambi controls (I'm a lefty), adjustable gas, iron sights (it doesn't come with any), and the better stock, the price gets higher quickly. Honestly I'm more concerned with the quality of the rifle than where it was built, but I'd probably plan to buy one each of the SIG, FN, and XCR carbines given that they are all released on the civi market. Right now its looking like the SIG will be up first.
 
ny32182 said:
The XCR base price is around 1200, but once you start adding options like ambi controls (I'm a lefty), adjustable gas, iron sights (it doesn't come with any), and the better stock, the price gets higher quickly. Honestly I'm more concerned with the quality of the rifle than where it was built, but I'd probably plan to buy one each of the SIG, FN, and XCR carbines given that they are all released on the civi market. Right now its looking like the SIG will be up first.
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How important is the adjusable gas to a casual plinker with self defense in mind? And i pan on getting a red dot sight so iron sights might not mean much. On the part of their sight where you build your own, you have to pic a $150 stock. Why not just make it standard and jack the price up 150. Same with the hand guard. I also didnt see anything about adjustable gas on the ordering part
 
spaceCADETzoom said:
From what I understand the decision for the SCAR over the XCR is purely political. The fact RA isn't a huge corporation like FN is lessened by the fact this was a SOCOM contract, it wasn't one for the entire Army. RA will do just fine with a relatively small contract for SOCOM. Look at bushmaster picking up the slack with M4 carbines on an even larger scale than the proposed SOCOM carbine...

FN, on the other hand, is stamped on the sides of most our M16s...

From the anarchangel blog. Not the NY Times or Jane's, but I've heard similar reports from other sources.

What sold me on the XCR? check out the videos on the RA website. I really like the barrel changing...from ar15 to ak in 40 seconds :) The scar can do this, that was the socom req, but again, i default to the fact the XCR is American designed, American built, etc. If you don't think that counts for anything (a lot!), I'd be really disappointed. Further, design-wise, i dont see ANYTHING on the scar that's inherently better...

THe civilian one has a factory 2 stage trigger and comes in at around $1200... great when you consider FN is trying to unload that FN2000 civ for like $2k with some odd overcomplicated brass ejection that I"m not keen on....and an ugly whale-like plastic body...
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Ah that makes alot of sense. Thanks.
 
MTMilitiaman said:
O and I have to say that if they offered the SCAR in 7.62x51 with interchangeable barrel lengths, my sincerest apologies to SIG, but I'd be all over that like "white on rice on a paper plate with a glass of milk in a snow storm."
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I believe the 7.62x51 is the SCAR-H. I recently had two in my hands - one in .223 and one in 7.62 nato. :)

ps.. Sig looks lke it uses a paddle mag release. I know the SCAR uses a normal AR button release. (have pictures of one with a mid-air mag change going on -- I'll post once the pic embargo is lifted from me) I'll take the normal button mag release.
 
Foxtrot427 said:
How important is the adjusable gas to a casual plinker with self defense in mind? And i pan on getting a red dot sight so iron sights might not mean much. On the part of their sight where you build your own, you have to pic a $150 stock. Why not just make it standard and jack the price up 150. Same with the hand guard. I also didnt see anything about adjustable gas on the ordering part
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I imagine the adjustable gas would be useful for people who intend to either handload for it, or plan to switch barrel lengths. Red dots are great, but my carbines have to have back up irons at the least.

I don't know what their deal with the stock is. Certainly they plan to offer a "free" stock... I can't imagine they would just ship it with nothing if you didn't select the aluminum folder option, which I would probably do anyway.
 
I'm leaving Wensday morning for Vegas, I'll be at SHOT bright and early Thursday morning to see if the Sig rumors are true!

If so I'll be placing my order then and there!
 
I did not vote for either. Get another ar-15. You wont have any problems getting replement parts like barrels. Plus you can spend the cost difference on ammo.
 
Sachse said:
I did not vote for either. Get another ar-15. You wont have any problems getting replement parts like barrels. Plus you can spend the cost difference on ammo.
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Why would you have trouble getting replacement parts for rifles built in the US?
 
TexasSIGman said:
Why would you have trouble getting replacement parts for rifles built in the US?
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What if SIG or FN decides to stop selling to the public? Where are you going to get your parts? With the ar-15 you don’t have the problem of a single source manufacturer. It won’t be a problem if the SIG and FN stay on the market for a long enough time to develop a supply of aftermarket parts manufacturers.
 
Oh good God. What if they pass a new Assault weapons ban that makes it illegal to own ARs? Then the parts will really dry up. What then!?! I guess I better get a Mauser, plenty of parts and a bolt action huh? Wait! What if they ban centerfire? I better get a .22. No black powder! No, maybe a sling shot! The horror, the horror. :what:


If SIG stops selling the 556 then those of us who have them will have extremely valuable rifles, and that is about it.
 
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