entropy
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And don't use the strap, or better yeet (pun intended) cut it off.
What WON'T you carry and why?
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plumberroy
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I'd carry a Hi-point before I would carry any Taurus automatic
entropy
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You're welcome to it, I'll stick with my Gx4.
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Price out the window, I would carry the Staccato daily. Knowing if ever needed, I might lose it for a while as evidence
Staccato C2
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I really like the Staccato 2011 and the compact model is just so nice and cool! But I would find it hard to use it as a carry.
Positives:
Capacity 15-16 9mm
Weight
Build quality
Accuracy
Negatives:
Manual safety
Full size grip
Price
The price is the primary reason I would not carry it. If you use a firearm to defend yourself it will be collected by law enforcement.
A Glock 19 has the same capacity, but cost around 20% of the Staccato.
WestKentucky
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I have several guns too impractical to carry. I have several too valuable (sentimental) to carry. I have some that just don’t get carried because I have better options. This question posed in the thread seems kinda strange, and I feel like it could be worded differently to get better response.
But I don’t carry my single shot contenders, or my 10mm 1911, or most of my 32 revolvers. I definitely don’t carry my S&W model 1, 1-1/2 or 3 guns. I could carry my other revolvers but I just don’t because a semiauto seems to make more sense. My 92 pattern guns are too big to conceal, same with the 1911, and I consider 22 and 22 mag to be inadequate, so I generally carry my Ruger EC9s or my wife’s g42. I have carried plenty 38spl and 357 revolvers but not anymore. I bought the EC9s as a pocket gun to save my nice guns so that’s the one that goes.
But I don’t carry my single shot contenders, or my 10mm 1911, or most of my 32 revolvers. I definitely don’t carry my S&W model 1, 1-1/2 or 3 guns. I could carry my other revolvers but I just don’t because a semiauto seems to make more sense. My 92 pattern guns are too big to conceal, same with the 1911, and I consider 22 and 22 mag to be inadequate, so I generally carry my Ruger EC9s or my wife’s g42. I have carried plenty 38spl and 357 revolvers but not anymore. I bought the EC9s as a pocket gun to save my nice guns so that’s the one that goes.
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Smart man lol
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There was a mass shooting locally a few years ago I have a friend who is on officer that was there. They were able to eliminate the threat because he was trying to clear a jam in a Taurus G2 I have never had or seen a Taurus that could get through 500 rounds without a failure. On the other hand I threw almost 400 rounds of 9mm in a bag brass, steel and aluminum cases 3 different bullet weights. And 60-80 of the old dirtiest rounds you have ever seen I randomly loaded the in magazines for two Glocks without a failure .I used to live about 40 miles from where Hi-points are made. I have had a couple and shot dozens of them . I have seen exactly 1 Hi-point have a problem they paid for the shipping fixed it and sent 3 extra magazines for his troubles.
The police responding had an AR fail too but my friend was not sure of the brand on that
docwharden1881
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This is why I don't mess with autoloaders. Sorry if you carry and like semi-automatic. I'll stick to my revolvers thank you very much.
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I love to give Taurus semiautos a hard time, but there's a lot of documented videos and cases of Taurus pistols going over 500 rounds without failure. I've never heard of Glock, S&W, HK, Beretta, longevity and that's why I don't prefer them, but I have zero doubt that the average Taurus semiautos that has been QC'd correctly will go way beyond 500 rounds without failure.
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That is probably true but I personally have never seen one. I have owned 3 Tauruses the 2 autos were junk even after going back to the factory . I'm the old gun nut that the young guys come to for help and to show their new toys,. I have seen probably 40% of the Taurus automatic have to go back to the factory. The one that I have not seen problems with are the 92 clones. Then everyone wants to bad Mouth Hi-points out of 30-40 guns I saw one need to go back to the factory. Now no manufacturer is perfect . I sent a Ruger back a year ago . But approximately 40 % having issues is just too much for me to trust. BTW the 3 Taurus I had was a revolver model 94 22LR that was a very good gun I would carry one of the Taurus snubby revolvers (after break in of course) with no problem
1. I won't carry a single action. Yes. there are those that can shoot them as fast as a DA. I'm not one of them. Statically, your fight should be over in 5 or 6 rounds. But if you need a reload you're screwed.
2. A 41 or 44 magnum. I'm often in very congested areas. The over penetration is a genuine concern. Carry specials? I can get the same performance from a 45 ACP in a more compact package.
3. A full load 357. Once again too much penetration.
4. AR or AK "handguns". Way too big and they are awkward to shoot.
2. A 41 or 44 magnum. I'm often in very congested areas. The over penetration is a genuine concern. Carry specials? I can get the same performance from a 45 ACP in a more compact package.
3. A full load 357. Once again too much penetration.
4. AR or AK "handguns". Way too big and they are awkward to shoot.
Steve in NC
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I keep it simple... I standardized on the M&P platform about 2008/2009 and still carry that setup to this day. Familiarity of ergonomics is my main thought for defensive purposes.
I train and can run and speedload my revolvers pretty well. But I never carry as primary ever for reasons stated above. The deep concealed J frame is the one exception for EDC.
Only other exceptions are dressing up I have my Shields (same ergo), or hunting I carrying various 10 mm's in 1911 or plastics frames.
I train and can run and speedload my revolvers pretty well. But I never carry as primary ever for reasons stated above. The deep concealed J frame is the one exception for EDC.
Only other exceptions are dressing up I have my Shields (same ergo), or hunting I carrying various 10 mm's in 1911 or plastics frames.
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I'm about the same except I have Glock platforms.
Hunting if I I have a center fire rifle I usually carry a rimfire handgun if I am using a rimfire or shotgun I will usually have a 9mm or 10mm
docwharden1881
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been my expereince just having tends to midigate any issue. FBI says no more than one or two should be all you need in a sd situation. I'm biased toward single but whateveer works for you my friend.
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I won't carry anything less than a .380 for self defense although I carry .22's all the time while hiking, and yes in Uncle Mike's nylon holsters. I will carry any CZ including the CZ 82 in 9 X18 MM. I'm still testing my Sig P320 full size and Compact 9 MM's. So far they are exceptional. Also a recent buy the S&W M&P Compact in .45. It's been cleared for carry and a real nice surprise. I have had good luck with Taurus guns, but most of mine are the older all metal types. The TX22's are a winner and I carry one with a suppressor in the woods. The Standard G3 has been reliable and accurate so far, but not cleared for carry yet. Bad luck with the Taurus TH 45, can't seem to get one that works reliably, although I like the gun when it works. Like many in the Military or in a LEO career you carry what the powers that be TELL you what you will carry. You just make do.
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Reality is, you have no idea as to what you might get, or how many rounds it will take to solve it. Stats mean nothing when you get to be an outlier and have to deal with something you're always told not to expect. Hope you at least planned a little for the unexpected.
Regardless what the caliber, the number of rounds needed, is "exactly" the number it takes. Period.
You get to increase your odds, by choosing a realistic gun, and continually putting in the time and effort with it to have the realistic skills necessary, to increase your chances of maybe coming out on top.
But if you're so sure that the stats have you covered, pick a sub par gun, only put three rounds in it, and only practice at 3 yards, dumping those three rounds from the draw, in 1.5 seconds, from a startle start. Assuming you have an honest 1.5 second draw from concealment down.
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I broke the cardinal sin.... I carried a pistol that I only shot 50 rounds through.
My LCP Max. It shot nicer than my LCPII. The sights are so much better. Popping cans at 15 yards! It will do.
My LCP Max. It shot nicer than my LCPII. The sights are so much better. Popping cans at 15 yards! It will do.
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I understand the other weapons you listed but not this one. I have an SR1911 in 10mm and once I get a few more rounds through it, it will get carried.
What keeps you from carrying you 1911?
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I don't believe the FBI said anything about a self defense scenario only requiring one or two rounds. The closest I've come to this is what they have to say about the "average" gunfight consisting of three rounds fired over three seconds at a distance of three feet. The article I read this in called it the "statistically perfect gunfight".
And that's a load of hogwash that doesn't provide any really useful information to someone who chooses to carry a firearm for defense. A statistical average like this is not to be considered in any way to be a "perfect" gunfight. Those are just numbers that are crunched as "average" out of a large group of data, the further breakdown of which would likely provide much more relevant information.
The "perfect" self defense gunfight is one that is fully justified and in which the victim survived unharmed. There may be no shots fired. There may be a bucket full of rounds fired.
Useful information involves a lot more than the "average" number of shots fired. What was fired, and from what type of gun? Where was the attacker hit, if he was hit at all? At what point did the attacker cease his acts of violence? At what distance was the attack commenced and at what distance was the defensive weapon brought into play? At what point did the victim become aware of possible danger? What were the physical surroundings like? How many people were involved? How was the defensive weapon carried? How proficient was the victim? Was the shooting incident to domestic violence/gang violence/mugging/police encounter?
That list can be expanded endlessly.
This is why I chose to ask the opening question of this thread the way I did. Lots of people expound on things like why they DO carry what they do, but thinking about the reasons why we DON'T carry something is just as valid an approach.
And that's a load of hogwash that doesn't provide any really useful information to someone who chooses to carry a firearm for defense. A statistical average like this is not to be considered in any way to be a "perfect" gunfight. Those are just numbers that are crunched as "average" out of a large group of data, the further breakdown of which would likely provide much more relevant information.
The "perfect" self defense gunfight is one that is fully justified and in which the victim survived unharmed. There may be no shots fired. There may be a bucket full of rounds fired.
Useful information involves a lot more than the "average" number of shots fired. What was fired, and from what type of gun? Where was the attacker hit, if he was hit at all? At what point did the attacker cease his acts of violence? At what distance was the attack commenced and at what distance was the defensive weapon brought into play? At what point did the victim become aware of possible danger? What were the physical surroundings like? How many people were involved? How was the defensive weapon carried? How proficient was the victim? Was the shooting incident to domestic violence/gang violence/mugging/police encounter?
That list can be expanded endlessly.
This is why I chose to ask the opening question of this thread the way I did. Lots of people expound on things like why they DO carry what they do, but thinking about the reasons why we DON'T carry something is just as valid an approach.
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This guy thinks that Glock s are the bottom tier of guns. I've noticed that many people think that and I wonder where the hell did they get this information from. YouTube maybe. Or do they just believe **** talkers that only like 1911 next to HK? Glocks are the most robust guns in the world. The polymer that is used is patented and The formula is kept secret by Glock. Every gun manufacturer in the world will start using that polymer if that patent gets released. And the metal parts are of the utmost highest quality possible on guns. If a 1911 was built with Glock quality metal, it will cost nearly $5,000 and it would be indestructible.
Time to step away from the Kool-Aid stand.
Their patents expired long ago, hence the proliferation of "clones" made by dozens of companies.
Labor is what makes a high dollar 1911 a high dollar 1911. The parts are parts. no more expensive than any other firearm.
Do I think Glocks are bottom tier? No. Do I think they are anything special? Again, no and I own multiple.
