What would you carry if you were or are a cop?
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Jody Johnson
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I probably could...tho' there would be nobody to get xtra rnds from if things went to poo!
I think, tho', if I were to go back to the "wheelgun", it'd be my 1966-vintage M15, if for no other reason than large sights work better for old(er) eyes.
If you're a "westsider" you're probably familiar with the Memorial area...we used to be known as the Village Police Department but, a few years ago, the name was changed to "Memorial Villages Police" along with the badge, car-scheme, patch, etc... Surrounded by Houston, we've about 15,000 or so residents.
There are two other departments...Hedwig, and Spring Valley...in the area also.
I probably could...tho' there would be nobody to get xtra rnds from if things went to poo!
I think, tho', if I were to go back to the "wheelgun", it'd be my 1966-vintage M15, if for no other reason than large sights work better for old(er) eyes.
If you're a "westsider" you're probably familiar with the Memorial area...we used to be known as the Village Police Department but, a few years ago, the name was changed to "Memorial Villages Police" along with the badge, car-scheme, patch, etc... Surrounded by Houston, we've about 15,000 or so residents.
There are two other departments...Hedwig, and Spring Valley...in the area also.
SAG0282
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If/when I become a cop and if I have the option, I'll likely carry a P226.
Still carry my S&W M64, pencil barrel. Has the rear notch enlarged(for my old eyes), had an action job in 71 with a combat smooth trigger and slightly wider hammer spur-both hard chromed carbon steel.
It is the best combo of carry weight and power I have found (for me at least). I use the Federal 158 GR SWHP +P loads in it.
Prior to that I carried the Python.
It is the best combo of carry weight and power I have found (for me at least). I use the Federal 158 GR SWHP +P loads in it.
Prior to that I carried the Python.
Smith and Wesson M-58
High point of police service revolvers. I think it was the full power, hunting ammo that killed it off. With the pussycat 210 grain bullet at 950 fps it would be perfect for a defensive handgun. That, or maybe cops diodn't like the idea of lugging around an N-Frame all day long.
High point of police service revolvers. I think it was the full power, hunting ammo that killed it off. With the pussycat 210 grain bullet at 950 fps it would be perfect for a defensive handgun. That, or maybe cops diodn't like the idea of lugging around an N-Frame all day long.
mjb
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My Colt Anaconda 4 inch barrel loaded with .44 SPl.
Johnny Guest
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Autoloaders DISALLOWED?
Yeah, I could live with it. I carried revolvers my first five years as a peace officer.
If I could get away with carrying handloads, I'd pack either a new S&W Model 21 or a customized 1917. I'd use lead ~255 gr SWC bullets loaded to about 850 fps in Auto Rim cases, with some equivalent .45 ACP loads in clips for rapid reloads.
The handloads-on-duty scenario above is rather unlikely, so a more plausible solution would be an S&W M65 with 158 gr JHP .357s. In plainclothes, I'd probably choose a 3" Colt Cobra, or possibly my 3" M65.
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Yeah, I could live with it. I carried revolvers my first five years as a peace officer.
If I could get away with carrying handloads, I'd pack either a new S&W Model 21 or a customized 1917. I'd use lead ~255 gr SWC bullets loaded to about 850 fps in Auto Rim cases, with some equivalent .45 ACP loads in clips for rapid reloads.
The handloads-on-duty scenario above is rather unlikely, so a more plausible solution would be an S&W M65 with 158 gr JHP .357s. In plainclothes, I'd probably choose a 3" Colt Cobra, or possibly my 3" M65.
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TonyB
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Seven High:your sap comment reminds me of a story that a buddy of mine who used to manage a gun shop told me...A plain clothes detective came in looking for a small revolver to carry.My buddy showed him a colt(dick spl.)The det. said"Well,I'm not sure If I could hit somebody with it."My buddy said"If you practice enough they can be very accurate."The cop said:"No ,I mean it doesn't have an underlug..so I can't hit somebody on the head with it,w/out bending the extractor."
Oh,and Id' carry a Security Six 4"......in 357,but loaded with 158gr 38+p's
Oh,and Id' carry a Security Six 4"......in 357,but loaded with 158gr 38+p's
Phlegyas
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What I would still like to carry
My all time favorite and still favorite regardless of the autos I have carried (mandatory) is the 686 with.357 125 grain of your choice of ammo. What a revolver . I carried that model while working with a sheriff's department in '95.
My all time favorite and still favorite regardless of the autos I have carried (mandatory) is the 686 with.357 125 grain of your choice of ammo. What a revolver
. I carried that model while working with a sheriff's department in '95.wildburp
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I were a cop in the late '60s. At that time, revolvers were the only option at most agencies; I carried a S&W Highway Patrolman wheel gun, but the powers that be insisted on loading two .38's up front, the theory being that you would probably miss your first two shots. If I are a cop today, I would carry a .357 revolver as back up, and a .45 auto for comfort. There are many modern alteratives, but the basic kick-ass .357 magnum and .45 ACP are hard to beat for their respective abilities. I see too many accounts of multiple LEOs emptying high capacity magazines from modern automatics when one or two aimed rounds will do the job, if deadly force is mandated. Call me old fashioned, but I was taught to study the background (for humans) before firing, and to make the first round count. Multiple discharges from multiple semi-automatic weapons is a reckless use of deadly force. I read one account of officers whom had circled a vehicle opening fire, only to wound each other with "friendly fire".
Cops with guns can be dangerous if not properly trained or screened for intelligence minumums, such as - don't stand in a circle and fire at a vehicle in the center, and so on. Police use firearms too much today; in the old days, two or more cops would wade in and do police work by overpowering the fool. We did not shoot if taking a few bruises would do the job. Today, police don't want to risk getting the uniform dirty or breaking a finger nail.
Case in Point: I remember reading (15 years ago?) about a group of officers that were unable or unwilling to wrestle a suspect to the ground for apprehension. One of them shot the man in the ass, thinking that would stop him. It did. After penetrating the man's behind, the round somehow riccocheted from his hip bone up through his heart, killing him instantly. Well, duh! The marksman had obviously never heard about what can happen when a bullet meets a bone.
I won't cover the obvious lesson here about shooting to kill, because you should never shoot unless you mean to kill, so think first, and don't aim for their ass.
wildburp
I were a cop in the late '60s. At that time, revolvers were the only option at most agencies; I carried a S&W Highway Patrolman wheel gun, but the powers that be insisted on loading two .38's up front, the theory being that you would probably miss your first two shots. If I are a cop today, I would carry a .357 revolver as back up, and a .45 auto for comfort. There are many modern alteratives, but the basic kick-ass .357 magnum and .45 ACP are hard to beat for their respective abilities. I see too many accounts of multiple LEOs emptying high capacity magazines from modern automatics when one or two aimed rounds will do the job, if deadly force is mandated. Call me old fashioned, but I was taught to study the background (for humans) before firing, and to make the first round count. Multiple discharges from multiple semi-automatic weapons is a reckless use of deadly force. I read one account of officers whom had circled a vehicle opening fire, only to wound each other with "friendly fire".
Cops with guns can be dangerous if not properly trained or screened for intelligence minumums, such as - don't stand in a circle and fire at a vehicle in the center, and so on. Police use firearms too much today; in the old days, two or more cops would wade in and do police work by overpowering the fool. We did not shoot if taking a few bruises would do the job. Today, police don't want to risk getting the uniform dirty or breaking a finger nail.
Case in Point: I remember reading (15 years ago?) about a group of officers that were unable or unwilling to wrestle a suspect to the ground for apprehension. One of them shot the man in the ass, thinking that would stop him. It did. After penetrating the man's behind, the round somehow riccocheted from his hip bone up through his heart, killing him instantly. Well, duh! The marksman had obviously never heard about what can happen when a bullet meets a bone.
I won't cover the obvious lesson here about shooting to kill, because you should never shoot unless you mean to kill, so think first, and don't aim for their ass.
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i would carry a 45acp.
i would carry a 45acp.
kahr404life
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I would carry my S&W 686+ (7-shot) .357 mag as my duty gun and a S&W 642 .357 as my backup/off duty weapon. I started out using revolvers and it would not upset me to go back to them.
VA27
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Up until 4 years ago, my agency issued the 681. You could carry that or anything else you could qualify with. They finally got around to issuing 40cal Glocks and now that's all we can carry. Before the change I was carrying a 625 Mountain Gun in 45 Colt. I'd go back in a heartbeat! Either that or a 686 Mountain Gun.
Jackal
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I would carry an M16.Troutman
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I agree with wildburp. A 357 revolver or a 45 automatic should be the min.
I have seen videos from other departments, where an officer was shooting at a vehicles windshield with a 9mm and the rounds bounced off of it. This was at close range. Where the officer was at the time on the top of the vehicles hood. No good for an on-duty, dept. issue firearm in my book.
And in today’s world unlike wildburp 60's society. You have Organized Crime groups like "M.M." and "A.S." Today, you’re not dealing with the conventional Organized Crime groups from that era. Today's O.C.....Their insane, crazy... "Attitude". Putting in the mix of controlled substance use, plus fire power they have...... Beyond what today's law enforcement has to work with to deal with this. Law enforcement agencies need all the help they can get. I have come across an M.M. wearing a bullet-proof vest. Unfortunate for this M.M. a round entered his throat. Unfortunate for them their is a magnum out their that will take care of O.C. members that take to this kind of protection. Taking the latter, placement is more important than the number of rounds. Taught me. Use the most power you can handle and keep training with it.
I have seen videos from other departments, where an officer was shooting at a vehicles windshield with a 9mm and the rounds bounced off of it. This was at close range. Where the officer was at the time on the top of the vehicles hood. No good for an on-duty, dept. issue firearm in my book.
And in today’s world unlike wildburp 60's society. You have Organized Crime groups like "M.M." and "A.S." Today, you’re not dealing with the conventional Organized Crime groups from that era. Today's O.C.....Their insane, crazy... "Attitude". Putting in the mix of controlled substance use, plus fire power they have...... Beyond what today's law enforcement has to work with to deal with this. Law enforcement agencies need all the help they can get. I have come across an M.M. wearing a bullet-proof vest. Unfortunate for this M.M. a round entered his throat. Unfortunate for them their is a magnum out their that will take care of O.C. members that take to this kind of protection. Taking the latter, placement is more important than the number of rounds. Taught me. Use the most power you can handle and keep training with it.
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