What's so dandy about pre-1964 Winchester Model 70s?

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Why's everyone drooling over pre-64 Winchesters?

Specifically, what happened in 1964 - did Winchester get bought out? Switch to a new manufacturing facility? Materials?
 
We were beginning a period of inflation in prices of a lot of stuff, including labor. Winchester tried some cost-cutting ideas: Stamped checkering instead of cut checkering. Simplified the safety. Changed to push feed.

They maintained the quality of the barrels and bedding. The 1964 and later production rifles were just as accurate as before, and possibly even better in some instances as technology improved the quality of tooling.

Shooters, being a conservative bunch, Were Not Pleased at what was seen as a degradation of the world's premier mass-production rifle. I'd bet that the change in the checkering caused more griping than the issue of the safety or the feed. That's my recollection from gunstore talk, anyhow. (Hell, I was there! :))

When Collectormania took off during the Carter presidency, pre-64 Model 70 prices joined right in with coins and cars in moving up.

Art
 
The whole Winchester lineup was changed. The Model 12 pump shotgun was discontinued. The Model 94 and all the famous guns like the Model 70 were perceived to be cheapened as Art said. Cut checkering changed to pressed in, etc.
 
You can't form a realistic view of the differences in appearances between the pre- and post- models by looking at today's M70. Today's are quite nice looking. The first year post-'64 was a really ugly rifle with the same name as (IMHO) the best looking production rifle ever.

There were several issues. There was the checkering issue mentioned above, but there was also the "free-floating" barrel. I read of folks getting small tree branches caught in this massive gap. I don't recall a "push feed" issue at the time; that's a really recent phenomena. There was (IIRC) a rejection of button-rifling, but later (early '70's?) folks seemed to settle down and realize it was probably a little more uniform across thousands of rifles. (I may have this confused with something else, however.)

In today's terminology, Winchester "cheapened the brand." They wanted to maintain the famous "Model 70," (and "Model 94," "Model 100," "Model 88," etc.) but they changed everything but the name, and for whatever reason, folks rejected it/them. The fact that folks were willing to pay more for a "pre-'64" seemed to imply that it was a better rifle, so folks stayed away from the new one in droves, and this (along with a similar rejection of the whole product line for roughly the same reasons) led to the current state of Not-A-Winchester USRAC.

I've always wondered what would have happened had Winchester in 1964 named the rifle something else. It might have stood on its own merits and we'd still have Winchester today. Speculation, though.

Jaywalker
 
The Pre-64 Model 70's were essentially hand fitted. The 64 redesign was for cost cutting by allowing less intensive fitting.

Some feel the Mauser Claw extractor is desirable for it's reliability and positive feeding.
 
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