What's the Anti's next move to ban Assault Weapons & Mags when SCOTUS rules they are protected?

[Aim1]

I'm going to to with the belief that SCOTUS will eventually accept an Assault Weapons and High Capacity Magazine case and rule that both are protected under the 2nd Amendment.


That won't stop anti-gunners from continuing to try to ban them.




What's the Anti's next move to ban Assault Weapons and High Capacity when SCOTUS rules they are protected?



Maybe just work on redefining Assault Weapons and circumventing the law?

 

[MrShooter]

I'm going to to with the belief that SCOTUS will eventually accept an Assault Weapons and High Capacity Magazine case and rule that both are protected under the 2nd Amendment.


That won't stop anti-gunners from continuing to try to ban them.




What's the Anti's next move to ban Assault Weapons and High Capacity when SCOTUS rules they are protected?



Maybe just work on redefining Assault Weapons and circumventing the law?

Well, they've been trying to ban all center fired ammunition for years, I believe it was Feinstein who first introduced the bill. That was when I started to seriously stock up on ammunition and every time I open a 15 dollar box of 10mm I'm thankful I did.

 

[GEM]

It all depends on how decisive and inclusive of controls, the decision is. Will the decision allow permitting for semi rifles. NYS is doing that. Classes to buy them? Caliber restrictions - like just 22s? Insurance requirements, special taxes? Mandatory DA/SA, manual safeties. Not being able to be converted to full auto as happening with Glocks nowadays.

Heller supposedly let your have a handgun at home but many states have all kinds of restrictions about getting a gun and type of gun/mag.

How are the guns defined? 'Assault weapons' is a vague terminology.

Mini-14s in plain Jane configurations currently avoid many ban laws but they are equally dangerous. Some countries are banning them after rampages - Canada, Norway for ex. Ruger PCCs are popular without threaded barrels but it's as dangerous for nut usage.

 

[badkarmamib]

Let's not give them any ideas...

 

[armoredman]

Easy first step - use El Presidente in Fraud to Executive Order all importation of all firearms stopped, except for military and law enforcement order - look up how China and Russia were stopped from selling guns in the US. Second, use woke mega-corporations beholden to non-US masters to force US and abroad metals dealers to stop selling copper and lead to any ammo company that sells to civilians, and no steel to companies that sell anything more dangerous that a slingshot to civilians. One thing this whole Bud Light deal has done is open American's eyes a little to just WHO really owns your "all American" brands.
It's not a new idea - it just used to be a difficult one to do.

 

[JN01]

I would look for them to step up their efforts to work around the PLCAA and try to bankrupt arms manufacturers.

 

[AlexanderA]

It would depend on how aggressive an antigun Administration wanted to get.

If, for example, the Supreme Court ruled that AWB's were unconstitutional, but left the NFA intact, the Administration could direct the ATF to redefine AR-type semiautomatic rifles as machine guns, on the basis of the "readily converted" language in the 1968 Gun Control Act. The logical groundwork for this already exists. Of course there would be a storm of protests over this, lawsuits would be filed, and probably in the end such an Administration would not want to spend the requisite political capital.

 

[kwguy]

They will simply ignore the ruling and try to ban them anyway.

 

[Styx]

SCOTUS will turn blue within the next 8 years anyway. Once SCOTUS turns blue, they'll start taking all the 2A cases that the right leaning SCOTUS punted and avoided for decades...

 

[Old Dog]

Based on what's already going on in several states:

1. More prohibited locations for lawful carry of concealed firearms.
2. No carry of concealed firearms on public transportation or government-owned buildings.
3. Taxes on ammunition, probably five cents per round on centerfire ammunition to start.
4. No more online orders of ammunition.
5. Background checks for ammunition purchases.
6. Only able to purchase ammunition in calibers for which one has registered firearms.
7. Training requirements to purchase any firearms
8. Permits required to purchase any firearms

 

[GEM]

I'm afraid the pessimistic views are correct. The idea of some blanket and decisive elimination of gun and mag bans isn't going to happen for the procedural reasons, lack of fire in the belly of the current court to really act clearly and probably changes in the court of old men (plus some being crooked - sorry to be political, they all are).

Not to give ideas but from Old Dog's list - no use of semiautomatic rifles or handguns in hunting. We already have gun type restrictions in hunting, so not hard to add more.

The idea of Scotus finding against the NYS CCIA is years away if ever - the lower courts and 2nd Circuit are still mucking around with the TRO and as I understand haven't really dealt with the law itself. That's years to Scotus.

 

[giggitygiggity]

If their reaction to the Bruen decision is any indication, the left will completely ignore any pro-2A Supreme Court decision and unapologetically increase their infringements. Look at how the NY governor blatantly disregarded the Bruen decision and implemented more gun control. And what happened to her? Nothing because regardless of what the Supreme Court rules, the ruling is meaningless unless there is an enforcement mechanism.

 

[General Geoff]

I am betting on the 'mandatory, hugely expensive insurance' angle to price out the riff-raff and keep firearms solely in the domain of the wealthy.

 

[denton]

Well, OK, I'm the designated optimist today.

Justice Amy Coney Barrett just spanked Naperville, Ill for their AWB and magazine ban. She basically said, " 'Splain me how you can ban those, seeing as how they are in common use for lawful purposes." Naperville has until Monday noon to make their case. I wouldn't want to be the attorney drafting that response.

The issue has been up and down the appellate chain, with results clearly at odds with Bruen, McDonald, and Heller. Justice Barrett just stepped into the middle of it. As I understand it, she can, in her own right, enjoin enforcement of Naperville's silly law. And I think she will. I don't think it will take long, either. I expect she will vacate the 7th Circuit's opinion and remand the case for reconsideration, consistent with SCOTUS rulings.

We went through something like this after the Civil War. The nation declared equal rights, and the southern states dug in with every device they could think of to thwart that. The states lost. It took a while, but Jim Crow, poll taxes, and segregated schools all went the way of the buffalo.

 

[Shawn Dodson]

Antigunners will seek to impose a punitive tax, greater than the current $200 tax on machineguns, against "semiautomatic assault weapons" and magazines with a capacity greater than 10 rds.

 

[AlexanderA]

Antigunners will seek to impose a punitive tax, greater than the current $200 tax on machineguns, against "semiautomatic assault weapons" and magazines with a capacity greater than 10 rds.

Remember that in 1934, the NFA tax applied to new acquisitions. Existing owners could register their guns for free.

If the same pattern is followed, such a tax would have a minimal effect, since the country is already awash with semiautomatics and magazines. However, a large percentage of owners would refuse to register, thus making their guns contraband. If the government tried to confiscate these "contraband" guns, the matter would end up back in the courts, and would probably be declared unconstitutional (if the current trends continue).

Sounds like a lot of pointless wheel-spinning.

 

[SterlingBullet]

All it will take is a woke financial system and woke supply chain to shun firearms related businesses. No banking privileges such as checking accounts, cash accounts, no business credit, no credit card transactions, no payroll systems, no online income tax programs, no national/regional CPA work. Add in companies not willing to sell metals and other raw goods for production. Manufacturers and retailers shut out of business insurance. Local zoning restrictions on retail outlets. Commercial landlords unwilling to lease. Local vendors like waste management declining to provide services. Utility companies would find some reason not to offer service. Internet companies restricting web access and other services. Add in all the potential tax burdens mentioned in previous posts.

A backroom coordinated effort among the woke big players could shut down all firearms manufacturing and retail sales within a few short years. Any small firms would go along with the plan out of fear.

All without making any new laws. All perfectly legal since you can't force a company to do business with you. Supported by a SCOTUS ruling that you can't force a cake decorator to make you a cake.

 

[earlthegoat2]

All it will take is a woke financial system and woke supply chain to shun firearms related businesses. No banking privileges such as checking accounts, cash accounts, no business credit, no credit card transactions, no payroll systems, no online income tax programs, no national/regional CPA work. Add in companies not willing to sell metals and other raw goods for production. Manufacturers and retailers shut out of business insurance. Local zoning restrictions on retail outlets. Commercial landlords unwilling to lease. Local vendors like waste management declining to provide services. Utility companies would find some reason not to offer service. Internet companies restricting web access and other services. Add in all the potential tax burdens mentioned in previous posts.

A backroom coordinated effort among the woke big players could shut down all firearms manufacturing and retail sales within a few short years. Any small firms would go along with the plan out of fear.

All without making any new laws. All perfectly legal since you can't force a company to do business with you. Supported by a SCOTUS ruling that you can't force a cake decorator to make you a cake.

Im pretty sure that would violate a few anti-trust laws. If a few corporations could bring an entire industry down that easily then that type of power could be used for much greater malice than just the elimination of the firearms industry. Just think about it for a bit.

Now selective enforcement could become a problem.

 

[BobABQ]

They will outlaw the manufacture and ownership of ammo.

 

[PapaG]

Banning lead bullets and shot. Higher taxes on ammo and components. Locale restrictions. Noise restrictions on ranges. Mandatory mental health tests.

 

[AlexanderA]

An airtight antigun stance by businesses isn't going to happen. The profit motive means that some, at least, will be willing to do business with the gun community.

 

[theotherwaldo]

I think that the current plan is to impose a digital currency at the federal level and then disallow using that currency to purchase anything that is not allowed by the federal government, depending on your social credit score.
Hey, it's working so well in China... .

 

[mope540]

... and how many states (like New York) would openly defy Supreme Court rulings?
The antis made a huge mistake going that route...but then again it seems that only they have the guts to tell the courts to shove it.

 

[Chief TC]

IMO, we live in a country that is run by corrupt elitists beholden to unchecked capitalism. Both parties are focused on money, power and greed and play to extreme bases, so they publicly endorse whatever issue is most politically expedient. Based on this fact, I think general gun ownership is relatively safe per the 2nd amendment and tons of money to be made. I think "assault" guns and high capacity magazines will eventually be restricted in some form because the case will be made somehow that denying certain weapons is not infringement. However, if the right wing politicians and gun lobbyist groups don't get their stuff together and focus on true conservative values, then I can see the constitution not being followed or an amendment change. Most of these people do a poor job of representing us, gun owners, as responsible and reliable American citizens. What is going to ruin the constitution and the gun hobby are these corrupt fools. When your politicians are corrupt and incompetent, it is not enough that they support a position we hold.

 

[buck460XVR]

I'm afraid the pessimistic views are correct.

...me too.

....and it's probably not going to come about because of rabid anti's, but from the general public. I doubt very much if you will see the prohibiting of classic firearms, but prohibitions on assault type firearms and high capacity magazines. We will probably see enactment of more Red Flag laws and possibly even an increase in the minimum age to buy. The amount of mass shootings, along with the repetitive claim of "Mental Health" is going to be a driving force, along with politicians seeing their voting base changing. In the last few mass shootings, there has been much said about the shooters "posing in a tactical way", and playing a part exhibited on social media and TV/Movies. EBRs seem to be the weapon of choice in these scenarios and is giving those type of weapons a black eye to the general public. From my view, the general public is getting tired of waiting for something to happen, whether it works or not, and is going to demand something be done to curb the daily random killings that involve complete strangers to the shooter, who has no motive but to kill as many as he can before he himself is killed. While a "good guy with a gun" does work, it still takes time and luck for that "good guy" to be there. The response in the Allen Texas shooting was almost immediate, but still 8 innocent people were killed. I hate to see what's coming, but I am afraid that something is coming for sure.