What's the best value in a quality gun safe?

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I am looking for some information on the best value in a quality gun safe to keep my firearms safe from both burglery and fire. I don't want the best, and I don't want the cheapest. I want the best value in a quality safe. Suggestions, please? Thanks!
 
My budget is whatever it takes to buy a quality safe without paying for the name or hoopla that isn't necessary.

It needs to hold at least six long guns, have some shelves for handguns and misc. stuff, and room to store a few ammo cans in the bottom. Approx. outside dimensions of the ideal safe would be 60"H x 28"W x 18"D. Nothing fancy.
 
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I suppose this depends on your definition of quality safe and nothing fancy.

There are safes that fit your description that cost $1,000, and others that cost $100,000. If you're not dealing with a high value collection or other items requiring the involvement of an insurance company, then I usually suggest you pick a price point, and purchase the best safe available in that range.
 
UL gives TL ratings for burglary resistance on safes. You might want to look up their testing standards and start from there.
 
I'm in the market for a safe myself, and from my research I've only found two units (not true safes) that offer good protection for the price in what I'd call a "value" price range: The AMSEC BF and the Sturdy Safe. Both are in the ~$2k-$2500 range. To answer your question, this IMO is about what you need to spend to get good protection, or at least it's what I decided I need to spend to get the protection I want. Like you, I didn't set out with a set price limit, saying simply I'd spend what I needed to get adequate protection.

If cost is no object, there are a few better options in terms of protection, starting w/ Graffunder and Brown and AMSEC's TL rated offering. These will generally set you back $5k+ and may be too heavy for your interior floors.

IMO, most of the big name safes you see at gun stores / gun shows (w/ the exception of AMSEC) are not worth the money, they use thin steel sheet and drywall yet charge a high price for the glossy paint job and gimmicky security features such as unnecessary number of bolts and other "features".
 
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I did quite a bit of research on this recently and came to the conclusion that for under $1,000, it is unlikely that security, fire protection & size can be had at a comfortable level. There will be some compromise. I did not search beyond $1000.

When I did my research, my goals were in the following order.
1. Security for family & friends
2. Fire. I was going to use the safe to store guns and other valuables such as jewerly, titles, deeds, contracts, etc
3. Security from thiefs


Of course I would need a size that could fit all of this and go in my room for quick access.

My other challenge was where to put it. We are already short on closet space and there is no way my wife would allow it to go in bedroom. Our already small master closet is probably the only place.

All of my research led me to believe that a 1hr fire rating is really the minimum that can be trusted to keep items from damage in a typical house fire. For small items such as jewelry/papers, a small Sentry fire safe could be put into the larger safe. I don't think I found a gun safe with a 1hr fire rating in the under $1000 mark.

As far as security, my research led me to believe that anything that is substantial in size and above the $500 mark will probably provide equivalent security when compared to each other. More security protection would require to go beyond $1000 and maybe even much further than that. For me, this was adequite.

The best value that I found was the Winchester safe at Sam's Club for about $650.
http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=399617&pCatg=6983

In the end, I decided to get a 14 gun security cabinet. I decided that there was no point in spending $700 on a safe that would not provide adequite fire protection. A security cabinet fulfills my number one goal of safety for family & friends. A security cabinet also is smaller and will fit better in my closet. The gun cabinet also provide some very basic level of security if it is fastened properly from a grab and go thief.

Dicks had a great deal on their 14 gun security cabinet ($129). Once I got it home, I had regrets on the size. I really did not need a 14 gun cabinet..... The 8 gun would have sufficed but the 14 gun was a great price. I decided that I was going to take it back and build a cabinet out of wood that could be rolled under my bed. This would provide adequite security, hide it and provide easy access.

When I was loading it up, my neighbor saw me and asked me about it. He is moving in a few days and said he has a brand new 8 gun cabinet that he would give me.

So now, I have that set in my master bedroom in a corner mostly out of view as a temporary solution until I build the under-bed cabinet.

By the way, the 8 gun cabinet is not big enough.
 
Lebowski: "IMO, most of the big name safes you see at gun stores / gun shows (w/ the exception of AMSEC) are not worth the money, they use thin steel sheet and drywall yet charge a high price for the glossy paint job and gimmicky security features such as unnecessary number of bolts and other "features"."

I think that this is well put and accurate.
 
I have no idea what their current prices are, but when I checked a few years ago looking for the same thing I ended up with a Sturdy safe. You might want to check them out. 7 gauge steel, well designed interior . . . not too pretty, but mine isn't out where people can see it anyway.
 
Most aren't true safes, but rather true fireboxes. Granted, a burglar would be hard pressed to open them, but with time and tools a good thief can get into anything.

Me, I'm interested in making it hard enough to keep my kid out (lock box) and discourage most thieves with weight and enough steel to stop most from even trying. Most thefts are quick in and outs, most "fireboxes" will do this job just fine.

I bought a Bighorn. Better fire protection than a Liberty at 2-3x the cost, but not that pretty smooth finish. Enough for me, I don't have any guns that simply could not get replaced by my homeowners insurance should someone haul it away. I'd be bitter, but I'd get by as I don't have any cherished heirlooms from my elders. My 1076 is probably my most favored gun, and it's not the most valuable, just the most collectible of my lot.

You'd make too much noise and take too much time getting that big beast out of my house in 10 minutes. It could be done, as most could, but you'd need a crew and a plan. Most of these folks don't have a plan other than get in and out fast and quiet.

That's my take.
 
I bought a Heritage 14 gun safe for $650. One hour fire rating, (sheetrock) decent size, good enough security for the average crackhead thief. I've got it bolted and lagged to my framing lumber VERY securely, I think this is the KEY thing that must be done with any safe! It creates an illusion that the safe is HEAVIER than it is. If it can be carried out with 1-2 guys, it should be bolted.

John
 
Don't get caught up on a name. The same company that makes RedHead safes also makes Browning safes. Same safe, $700 dollar difference..
 
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