What's the ideal setup for a 1911?

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Hi,

I have made up my mind that my duty gun will either be a single or double stack 1911. I have my Kimber Pro Carry II for now but might switch to a gov't size later on. My question is what is an ideal setup for a 1911 and I mean holster types, grips, upgrades, ect. Thanks and I will be standing by.
 
That is like asking which flavor jelly bean.

Me. I don't like ambi safeties, although I own one that has one. I don't like big thumb safeties. I don't like extended slide catches, but I have one on a range gun. (Pachmyar - it's OK).

I don't care if the grip safety is bone stock GI, or beavertail. I like an undercut trigger guard, but can live without it.

Checkering is nice, but not a must. I don't like full length guide rods, but I have those too. (not all obviously)

I like aluminum framed 3", 4, & 4 1/4" guns. I don't like Alloy framed 5" guns. I like all steel in all flavors.

Single stack. Full sized grip or Officers with a magwell.

I like bull barrels, and bushing type barrels. I like ramped and standard barrels.

Banana & Licorice jelly beans, by the way.


Duty gun eh. Small slide stop and single safety. Checkering, nicely fit beavertail. Non adjustable sights, or the no snag Novak adjustables.

This one qualifies.
 
Thanks, what about holsters for them, I was thinking along the line of thumb breaks, serpas, or anything else.
 
MTAC holsters have worked really well for me.

As far as 1911's go:

All steel, dehorned and beadblasted stainless finish.
5" barrel
Alumagrip slimgrips (ODG)
Single stack
Wilson 47 d mag with 2, 10 round wilson mags for reloads
Beavertail safety, like your Kimber.
Upgraded Safety lever, slide stop, mainspring housing with lanyard loop.
All black Melonite refinish.
 
A lot of folks do not like railed 1911s, but if this is going to be your duty gun you may want to consider it. I personally am not a fan of them as I am partial to the lines of a non-railed 1911, but if I was to carry one for duty purposes I would definitely mount a light on it.


As far as holsters go I would look at Safariland. I don't carry a weapon for work anymore, but the 6004 (IIRC) is pretty awesome. Plenty of retention, but quick to use.

One more thing from me is don't skimp on mags. Get Wilson or comparable.

IMHO, YMMV, of course.
 
ive always carried my 1911's using in-the-waistband style holsters by Galco. my first carry 1911 was a pro carry 2 like yours. i baught a Galco commander size holster and it worked great. good retention, but no goofy straps or anything. concealment was great. Galco is american made and they use top quality horse hide which will not damage the finish on ur piece.

i just realized ur talking about a "Duty" set up so nevermind haha. but if you want to carry while off duty, you may take some of this to heart.

i now carry a full size RIA Tactical with almost the same holster, but for the Government size 1911. Even this big ass heavy gun conceals well under a shirt or hoody and i can run/jog without worrying about retention. its a good ccw setup.

good luck
 
Personally, I like the Springfield Operator. Versatility of rail for weapons mounted accessories like light or laser and just a well made shooter. Depending on your needs, Safariland makes a nice drop leg set up to accomodate both handgun alone & w/ light
good luck
 
Here's a bit of writing from someone who's considered the question:

http://10-8performance.com/id8.html

My choice was a Wilson Combat CQB with rail for a light--which I consider a desideratum on a duty gun:

http://www.wilsoncombat.com/p_cqb_tlr.asp

The use of a light restricts the holster choices considerably--basically to a Safariland SLS. And again, do not skimp on mags. Wilson or Chip McCormick have both worked well for me.
 
Here's a bit of writing from someone who's considered the question:

I wish Mr. Yam had spent five minutes less on contemplating the 1911 and five minutes more contemplating what color font to use with his horribly jumbled background image. Then you could easily read what he wrote.

[/Rant]:

I agree pretty much with Walkalong. I've spent 30+ years shooting them, carrying them sometimes, but not a whole lot. I've had them with bull barrels, solid, and collet. Wide ambi safeties, narrow, tear drop and "GI" shelf-type. Short trigger, long trigger, arch MSH flat, steel aluminum, and also rubber-coated. All types of grip safeties.

After lots of carry, tinkering, and lots of guns, I have decided what I like is basically plain 'ole 1911. Yep, a flat MSH, long-triggered gun like went to France in WWI. The basic changes I do like, in increasing order of importance from not that important to VERY important, are:

1) FLGR (I can tell a difference in the smoother spring compression/release, but it's a minor issue, really).

2) Taller sights, three-dot if possible, but again, not a big deal to me. The "GI" sights work fine - you have to squint a bit at the range, but if you are really using the gun for a real threat - natural pointing and instinctive shooting are going to be what you do anyway. The "GI" sights do have the virtue of going in and out of leather very smoothly and quickly.

3) Spur hammer or true commander shape with deep checkering. Having recently taken to carrying a 1911 on horseback, I've also learned to really appreciate the original hammer design, which allows you to get to Condition 2 carry with much less risk than some of the bizarre new shapes. The true commander "ring" hammer also works pretty well for this.

4) Holsters with retention straps. Because that's the only way to guarantee it won't come out under all circumstances.

5) Quality mags. Colt brand (which means Metalform or Checkmate), or similar from their OEM folks, or Tripp's mags work great for me. If this is a duty gun, you will obviously be taking your magazine choice/choices seriously.


I also really don't like a few things:

1) railed guns or full-sized dust covers. They add a lot of weight in a place that doesn't help dampen recoil much) and severely restrict your holster choices. Not worth it to me, but then I'm not a cop.

2) Ambi safeties, especially wide ones. They get in the way of holster fit, and on the "off" side also add a point for things to hang-up on. If I were a lefty, I'd probably install a slim ambi safety like I have on one of my guns, but for a right-handed shooter, the existing safety is fine - in the rare case you need to use it left handed, you can swipe it off very easily with your left thumb. Just pivot it around the grip safety and hit it - it's "opposable" after all, remember?;) Practice it a few times and you can see it's really easy.

3) Add-on mag wells and bumper-padded magazines. They add unnecessary bulk on the end to hang up on clothes and things and provide marginal utility. I like flat, welded-bottom magazines and a slightly beveled stock mag well. It works fine.

4) Double stacks. They are just too big to me for a proper grip.

5) Deeply checkered front grip straps or MSH's. Can you say "cheese grater"? I made this mistake once. And only once.

Nowadays I am buying WWI style pistols (because they already have the flat MSH and long trigger as it was originally designed), and Series 70 (because I can swap those two parts in a few minutes) and earlier Colt guns. I still have my customized ones, including a pair of Caspians that are just wonderful, but the ones I find myself enjoying the looks and feel of the most are the real Colts in basic form. Everything else really adds just marginal utility to me.

If you gave me a stock WWI reproduction Colt and told me to go carry it and use it, I'd have no problem with that. But if this is a true "duty" gun, then you have some other considerations that I don't have to make.
 
My personal opinion

I've carried a 1911 a lot, both in the service and now as a civilian. Much more as a civilian. Here's what I like and don't like. I assume we're talking about a gun to be used heavily, not a range queen.

Must have: Highly visible front sight, decent trigger, 5" barrel, beavertail grip safety and be dead nuts reliable.

Like very much: Flat mainspring housing, checkering on frontstrap and MSH, beveled magazine well, Ed Brown Tactical safety, single side.

Do not like: FLGR, light rails, series 80 firing pin safety, hammers other than G.I. or commander style.

Will not tolerate: barrel less than 4", shock buffers, double stack (then it's not a 1911, nor will it for my hands) or adjustable sights.

I had my "dream gun" built a couple years ago. Took almost a year and a lot of money, but it was money well spent. Forged frame and slide, Ed Brown "hardcore" and Wilson "bulletproof" internals, Wolff springs, everything fit and tuned by a real gunsmith (No, I and my kitchen table were not involved) 20LPI checkering frontstrap and MSH, Yost sights, S&A beavertail and a nice blued finish that is now wearing off.
 
The best setup for a 1911 is a mahogony box with a glass viewing cover so it can be displayed. For carry you should get something reliable.
 
The best setup for a 1911 is a mahogony box with a glass viewing cover so it can be displayed. For carry you should get something reliable.

good call

and btw- im lovin the dog snacks out of this thread!
 
I use my Kimber Custom II for everything from carry, to hunting, to range work. I would carry it to war tomorrow if I were allowed to. I have carried MANY different pistols including Beretta, Glock, Sig, and Smith and Wesson, and I came back to the 1911. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with it for carry. It has saved more soldiers' lives than any other combat handgun. I'm not sure what some people want it to prove for 'reliability'. At 10000 plus rounds, if mine has ever malfunctioned, I don't remember.

For a carry/duty gun, remember the guideline, "Everything you need, nothing you don't." For me, this means, night sights, Hogue wrap-around finger grips, G.I. style guide rod and plug.

For carry, I use a Galco Miami Classic shoulder holster, a Milt Sparks IWB, and a fanny pack. I tried a Fobus Paddle holster, but I stopped using it when I was practicing drawing from it and it came out of my waistband with the gun. I'm looking at a Crossbreed IWB next.

Go to brownells.com and get their free 1911 catalog. All kinds of stuff you never knew you needed until you saw it in there.
 
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with it for carry. It has saved more soldiers' lives than any other combat handgun. I'm not sure what some people want it to prove for 'reliability'. At 10000 plus rounds, if mine has ever malfunctioned, I don't remember.

+1 on that mljdeckard
 
The question to me is "Which version of the 1911 is the best combat handgun ever?"

When I leave the house a 1911 goes with me. The questions I address before I leave are: slide length; mode of carry; sights; mag pouch with/or without Surefire pocket; spare mag quantity and degree of risk on that outing. Then I pick a 1911 from the shelves.

18 rounds of 9 that will stop four or five guys don't beat nine rounds of .45 that will stop nine guys. Besides, most of my .45s are set up with 10 +1 mags...
 
Just begin your quest for your hardware at Wilson Combat, they will serve all of your needs without all the fuss.

 
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with it for carry. It has saved more soldiers' lives than any other combat handgun. I'm not sure what some people want it to prove for 'reliability'. At 10000 plus rounds, if mine has ever malfunctioned, I don't remember.
I'm glad yours worked well. My Colt hiccupped all the time in the beginning. I had no qualms about giving it to my Dad for Christmas after I got my XD>
 
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