Nushif
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Sounds less like a videogame problem and more like an arrogant kid problem. Or are we going to start blaming electronic data for people's conduct now?
What's with the Angry?
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Sounds less like a videogame problem and more like an arrogant kid problem. Or are we going to start blaming electronic data for people's conduct now?
I would be considered fairly young by most of the old-timers, and I have noticed that there is an elitist mentality within the gun crowd. I personally notice it more with the middle aged generation, not so much with the "old salty" generation. I don't know if it has to do with that extra bit of appreciative wisdom that seems to tick around when people get older or what.
For example: My LGS has a counter guy that is in his early to mid thirties and he was a straight up jerk the first few times I went in there looking around, asking questions about the AR platform as I had no experience with it at the time. On the other hand, the Vietnam-Vet turned gunsmith was extremely friendly and willing to show me the ropes with the platform. I now go up there just to listen to him tell me stories, or show me random gun mechanisms and explain/quiz me on them. He has taken the opportunity to pass knowledge onto another generation without prejudice. The younger guy has finally warmed up to me too.
Oh yea, I learned most of my early knowledge from video games. I don't think I am a sniper either.
For example: My LGS has a counter guy that is in his early to mid thirties and he was a straight up jerk the first few times I went in there looking around, asking questions about the AR platform as I had no experience with it at the time. On the other hand, the Vietnam-Vet turned gunsmith was extremely friendly and willing to show me the ropes with the platform. I now go up there just to listen to him tell me stories, or show me random gun mechanisms and explain/quiz me on them. He has taken the opportunity to pass knowledge onto another generation without prejudice. The younger guy has finally warmed up to me too.
Oh yea, I learned most of my early knowledge from video games. I don't think I am a sniper either.
It is just ego and machismo. "You poor pathetic newbie, it will take you years to accumulate the vast stores of nuanced firearms knowleged I have acquired at your poor pathetic rate, that is....if you even discover that you are in a cloud of ignorance and need to see the very light I had seen so many years ago".
Shadow 7D
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Guess I was lucky in some ways
My mom took me shooting as a kid, well actually as a teenager, and it was the police supply store, the owner took some time to teach me the basics and safety. I was safe enough, I admit to not knowing much about what I was doing, but I was happy with it, and he was happy for the money.
Then I joined the service, first gun show I went to, I had no clue, and other than the guy trying to sell accessories and the one selling jerky, no body talked to me, I literally walked around the place twice and left.
Now I come into the shop and they at least recognize me, I don't buy much but I do ask questions, and some times they aren't the smartest. But, hey that's life.
My mom took me shooting as a kid, well actually as a teenager, and it was the police supply store, the owner took some time to teach me the basics and safety. I was safe enough, I admit to not knowing much about what I was doing, but I was happy with it, and he was happy for the money.
Then I joined the service, first gun show I went to, I had no clue, and other than the guy trying to sell accessories and the one selling jerky, no body talked to me, I literally walked around the place twice and left.
Now I come into the shop and they at least recognize me, I don't buy much but I do ask questions, and some times they aren't the smartest. But, hey that's life.
Lex Luthier
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It has never been about the angry.
People are egotistical in every possible way, until and unless they have a humbling experience that makes them completely and utterly aware that they are not the center of the universe. It is safer for most people to hang on to old ideas, sometimes letting them become concrete and inflexible, without realizing that they just might have a little more to learn about the other humans they have to deal with.
Direct communication with hard people is the best way. A slower, logical approach with obviously intentional neophytes might be a good idea, instead of being an overly technical know it all. We were all new once at something, and there was probably a concerned, caring person who stepped up and helped us.
The simple fact is that people are all pretty fragile, and some of us have excelled at certain skills and techniques to get through this world, and just because we may know better, or more than the next guy doesn't mean we need to defend some figural, egotistical piece of ground.
Help a new guy. Be a role model, not a jerk. At the same time, remember to be vigilant and sharp for moments when the egos in the room are about to throw punches. I had to remind a gangbanger at the range on Monday to not stand so close behind everybody so he could "check it all out". He had a big gun. I had a fatherly tone used direct verbiage. He complied. It works if you work it.
People are egotistical in every possible way, until and unless they have a humbling experience that makes them completely and utterly aware that they are not the center of the universe. It is safer for most people to hang on to old ideas, sometimes letting them become concrete and inflexible, without realizing that they just might have a little more to learn about the other humans they have to deal with.
Direct communication with hard people is the best way. A slower, logical approach with obviously intentional neophytes might be a good idea, instead of being an overly technical know it all. We were all new once at something, and there was probably a concerned, caring person who stepped up and helped us.
The simple fact is that people are all pretty fragile, and some of us have excelled at certain skills and techniques to get through this world, and just because we may know better, or more than the next guy doesn't mean we need to defend some figural, egotistical piece of ground.
Help a new guy. Be a role model, not a jerk. At the same time, remember to be vigilant and sharp for moments when the egos in the room are about to throw punches. I had to remind a gangbanger at the range on Monday to not stand so close behind everybody so he could "check it all out". He had a big gun. I had a fatherly tone used direct verbiage. He complied. It works if you work it.
FullEffect1911
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I might take you up on the offer at some point. I was thinking about getting into it reasonably soon, once I research more of the rules and get at least some practice at my range shooting IDPA targets. Where about are you located?
This is a good point, I think we should take a step back as well and look at it this way as well. Some people are just jerks and some are great, every profession and hobby has its share of both.
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Cop Bob
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You run into this "Elitist" attitude all the time, along with "I work in a gun store, and you don't, therefore I know more than you" attitude all the time..
I was lucky enough to have had a Father that was a competitive shooter, he was pretty darn sharp when it came to pistols and revolvers. I went with him to matches and weekly team practice from a very early age.. Some of those old guys took me under their wing because it's true, being polite doesn't cost nutthin, but it payed me in spades.. The guys at the Police range took me under their wing and taught me ALOT... how to shoot, really just building on the basics that Dad taught, and adapting it to their style of shooting, ( I kind of thought the 2600 Bullseye competition a little too stiff and disciplined, where the PPC and IPSIC was more "real world" in my mind )
I spent a lot of time at the range, soaking up knowledge like a sponge. My case was rare, today, even harder to do.. In my day there were no video games, but a lot of TV..
When it finally came the day for me to start applying my knowledge as an instructor, and coach, I found, almost universally, that Women were easier to teach.. Why? I can only offer that they did not spend all their time playing Cowboys and Indians, imitating the Lone Ranger or TV and Movie moves that they had done all their Action adolescent lives in the neighborhood lots.. I spent more time breaking bad habits from that, and poor or improper initial instructions than anything.. Women that had never touched a gun, didn't have any bad habits to break... they came in with no preconceived notions.
Today's youth are at a disadvantage, Bad people portrayed as heroes, every thing in the movies, games, and other electronic media are not properly used, displayed or portrayed, everything as been edited or portrayed with "Artistic License"
Old codgers (such as myself) have little use or time for the tattooed knot head with his pants down around is butt and his cap on sideways, who wants a Glock so he can "buss a cap in" what ever, or these so called movie, internet, and video experts... as described earlier...
With the advent of "box Stores" such as Walmart, Best Buy, Auto Zone, Home Depot, you can't find ANYONE who knows ANYTHING about the products that they are selling.
Example, go into a Big corperate owned lumber yard, with a set of plans, and see if there is anyone there that can read them and put together a material list... not gonna happen... Try a chain auto parts store.. I have gone in WITH THE PART NUMBERS... and they still want to know "What does it fit?"... Try in my hand...
When I went to high school, we had a rifle range on campus, a full machine shop... a full wood shop, with lathes, table and chop saws.... When I was a teenager I was drilling and tapping scope mounts, cutting dovetails and doing trigger jobs on Smiths, squaring bolts.. why, because I learned the basic skills in school... Now, it is illegal to let anyone under the age of 18 run those types of machine tools...
We are dumming ourselves down to the point of helplessness... In the 40's when this country had it's back against the wall, we had the resources and the mindset to build our way out of it.. America went into WWII in the Great Depression, we came out of it the greatest industrial nation the world has ever know...
I forget who stated it but a quote that seems to fit here is... "If you want to defeat a nation, you reduce its ability to make war"... Unfortunately, lately we have built a Society that is more geared towards service (read: "You want fries with that?") rather than the attitude of "Whaddya mean that can't be done? I got a mill and a lathe, I can build anything you want!
This video sniper is a by-product of that.. (I'll get off my soapbox now...)
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Being a gun owner doesn't make people special. Guns are just tools. Guns don't magically make anyone better, smarter, patient, or brave.
Someone may happen to be on the right side of a social issue, but that doesn't automatically mean they have other virtues.
Now, an irrational fear and hatred of a tool (such as hoplophobia) will tend to correlate with ignorance, gullibility, and superstitious behavior.
Someone may happen to be on the right side of a social issue, but that doesn't automatically mean they have other virtues.
Now, an irrational fear and hatred of a tool (such as hoplophobia) will tend to correlate with ignorance, gullibility, and superstitious behavior.
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Gord
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I'm in my early 20s and have had the benefit of both growing up playing videogames and being fortunate enough to handle and shoot a wide variety of guns. In my mind, I'm still just a beginner - and, really, I am. That, I think, is crucial to the reception you're going to get from older and wiser folks (and potential mentors).
Having someone make a snap decision, solely on the basis that you own a PS3 and Black Ops, that you're a simpering imbecile unworthy of fraternization is one thing; but all too often, we bring it on ourselves. Hear me, 18-to-25-year-old demographic! Hear me, and heed my words!
1) You're a n00b; be honest and admit it to yourself, and, more importantly, to others. I started on my road to gun nuttery, at twelve years old or so, asking someone in an AOL chatroom what the "ACP" in .45ACP meant - and that guy was happy to explain it to me. One of the lessons you're going to learn (and it applies to life in general) is that you don't have to pretend to expertise in all things to make friends or influence people. Which brings us to our next item:
2) Be honest about influencing people. If your experience with firearms in the real world is limited or nonexistent, you need to say so up front before contributing to a discussion. Things like trigger feel, weapon balance and perceived recoil are big deals to a lot of people, and none of it translates over from videogames. By matter-of-factly saying that "I'd go with an M4, it's way more accurate than the G36," you are essentially becoming that 13-year-old kid who lurks on every car forum and declares that the Ferrari 458 is da best car period - except you're most likely in your late teens or early 20s (in highly technical terms, "too old for that BS") and you're probably fudging the decision-making process for someone who can actually afford to seriously consider buying whatever whoopty-doo gun they're soliciting opinions on, versus the guys on the sports-car forums who might have bought a beat-up '73 Porsche 914 off Craigslist for two Gs or spent two days at Racing Skool in Vegas driving a Corvette in a circle. By the way:
3) Please learn to use the proper terminology. One of the biggest things you can do to show other firearms enthusiasts that you're serious about the hobby is to extricate your love of guns from your love of FPS games and start developing the former interest in a real-life setting. Telling people that you've shot the M9 will probably get you written off, because if you actually had (or if you'd actually cared about it) you'd know that what you shot was a Beretta 92FS. Likewise, there is no M4 for civilians; you might have shot an "M4gery," but most of us just call 'em AR-15s. "I've shot the .50 cal" is meaningless; there are a lot of different .50s out there - which one did you shoot exactly? And on and on; you get the idea.
I could continue to codify Things Not to Do in list form, but the simple basic idea is this - don't act like a know-it-all (speak less, listen more) and don't discuss real-world firearms usage like you're talking to your MW2 buddies on Steam (use proper terminology and keep your scenarios realistic).
I think I can safely speak for most all of us here at THR when I say that we're more than happy to welcome newcomers to the fold and help them out with whatever questions they have; but there is a general maturity rating that comes into play, and acting like a Net Ninja or making it obvious that you're only looking for knowledgeable responses so you can copy-paste them to your clan's forum and make them think you're a Real Life Operator is going to make people think that you wear a Pokemon backpack to school, and they are going to divest themselves of your presence in their consciousness.
Having someone make a snap decision, solely on the basis that you own a PS3 and Black Ops, that you're a simpering imbecile unworthy of fraternization is one thing; but all too often, we bring it on ourselves. Hear me, 18-to-25-year-old demographic! Hear me, and heed my words!
1) You're a n00b; be honest and admit it to yourself, and, more importantly, to others. I started on my road to gun nuttery, at twelve years old or so, asking someone in an AOL chatroom what the "ACP" in .45ACP meant - and that guy was happy to explain it to me. One of the lessons you're going to learn (and it applies to life in general) is that you don't have to pretend to expertise in all things to make friends or influence people. Which brings us to our next item:
2) Be honest about influencing people. If your experience with firearms in the real world is limited or nonexistent, you need to say so up front before contributing to a discussion. Things like trigger feel, weapon balance and perceived recoil are big deals to a lot of people, and none of it translates over from videogames. By matter-of-factly saying that "I'd go with an M4, it's way more accurate than the G36," you are essentially becoming that 13-year-old kid who lurks on every car forum and declares that the Ferrari 458 is da best car period - except you're most likely in your late teens or early 20s (in highly technical terms, "too old for that BS") and you're probably fudging the decision-making process for someone who can actually afford to seriously consider buying whatever whoopty-doo gun they're soliciting opinions on, versus the guys on the sports-car forums who might have bought a beat-up '73 Porsche 914 off Craigslist for two Gs or spent two days at Racing Skool in Vegas driving a Corvette in a circle. By the way:
3) Please learn to use the proper terminology. One of the biggest things you can do to show other firearms enthusiasts that you're serious about the hobby is to extricate your love of guns from your love of FPS games and start developing the former interest in a real-life setting. Telling people that you've shot the M9 will probably get you written off, because if you actually had (or if you'd actually cared about it) you'd know that what you shot was a Beretta 92FS. Likewise, there is no M4 for civilians; you might have shot an "M4gery," but most of us just call 'em AR-15s. "I've shot the .50 cal" is meaningless; there are a lot of different .50s out there - which one did you shoot exactly? And on and on; you get the idea.
I could continue to codify Things Not to Do in list form, but the simple basic idea is this - don't act like a know-it-all (speak less, listen more) and don't discuss real-world firearms usage like you're talking to your MW2 buddies on Steam (use proper terminology and keep your scenarios realistic).
I think I can safely speak for most all of us here at THR when I say that we're more than happy to welcome newcomers to the fold and help them out with whatever questions they have; but there is a general maturity rating that comes into play, and acting like a Net Ninja or making it obvious that you're only looking for knowledgeable responses so you can copy-paste them to your clan's forum and make them think you're a Real Life Operator is going to make people think that you wear a Pokemon backpack to school, and they are going to divest themselves of your presence in their consciousness.
henschman
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You have to realize that the majority of "gun guys" were not country kids who grew up with a rifle in their hand from an early age. If our hobby is going to grow, we need to attract the kind of people who have no experience with guns, but who are interested for whatever reason. For those type of people, there is something that had to get them interested in it in the first place, and in this day and age, more often than not, that will be video games.
I was probably part of the first generation of gun guys who got interested in it because of video games. Well, I'd say a combination of video games and Tom Clancy type books. I started reading those type of books (military thrillers and such) when I was 11, and of course they are full of details on guns and stuff. Then Goldeneye 007 for the Nintendo 64 came out in 1997 when I was 12 or so, and I played that every day for about 2 years. That game used fake names for a lot of real guns, and I remember looking them up in gun books to figure out what the real ones are. Next it was Rainbow 6 on the computer, which was actually a very realistic game. I bought a lot of gun books and learned quite a bit about them before I ever owned one. I may not have known what it was like to shoot anything other than a BB gun or a .22, but I knew quite a bit about all the major military firearms from the past century -- what they look like, who makes them, what caliber they are, etc.
I finally talked my mom into buying me a real rifle when I was 15. The local gun shop guys were actually pretty helpful, and helped me pick out a good first gun that fit what I wanted (something to have fun and learn to shoot with) -- I was originally attracted to the TEC-9 on the shelf, but the guy steered me away from that and I walked out with a nice Norinco SKS for $215.
I remember being worried about not knowing anything in the gun shop... I tried really hard to act mature. I didn't gush over how cool anything was or how it was like the KF-7 in Goldeneye or whatever. I agree with all of Gord's advice for youngsters.
Unfortunately it took me about 7 years of owning guns before I really learned how to SHOOT. That was at my first Appleseed back in 2007 when I was 22. I wasn't too bad for being a totally self-taught shooter with nobody to show me the ropes, but I really wish there was a program like Appleseed back when I was 15, to get me started off the right way. That is one of the reasons I decided to become more involved in the program as a Shoot Boss and State Coordinator... because I know there are a lot of folks out there who could benefit from some systematic instruction in the proper use of firearms as much as I did.
Oh and yes, I am 26 and a practicing attorney, but I never totally lost my love for video games. I have an X-box and Call of Duty Black Ops... I kind of suck at it, but I still get on there sometimes after the GF goes to sleep. I am "henschman762" on X-box live if anybody wants to friend me, lol. You can look at my little record thingy and see how bad I suck, but hey, I could take any of you to school at Goldeneye.
Or the 25m Army Qualification Test.
I was probably part of the first generation of gun guys who got interested in it because of video games. Well, I'd say a combination of video games and Tom Clancy type books. I started reading those type of books (military thrillers and such) when I was 11, and of course they are full of details on guns and stuff. Then Goldeneye 007 for the Nintendo 64 came out in 1997 when I was 12 or so, and I played that every day for about 2 years. That game used fake names for a lot of real guns, and I remember looking them up in gun books to figure out what the real ones are. Next it was Rainbow 6 on the computer, which was actually a very realistic game. I bought a lot of gun books and learned quite a bit about them before I ever owned one. I may not have known what it was like to shoot anything other than a BB gun or a .22, but I knew quite a bit about all the major military firearms from the past century -- what they look like, who makes them, what caliber they are, etc.
I finally talked my mom into buying me a real rifle when I was 15. The local gun shop guys were actually pretty helpful, and helped me pick out a good first gun that fit what I wanted (something to have fun and learn to shoot with) -- I was originally attracted to the TEC-9 on the shelf, but the guy steered me away from that and I walked out with a nice Norinco SKS for $215.
I remember being worried about not knowing anything in the gun shop... I tried really hard to act mature. I didn't gush over how cool anything was or how it was like the KF-7 in Goldeneye or whatever. I agree with all of Gord's advice for youngsters.
Unfortunately it took me about 7 years of owning guns before I really learned how to SHOOT. That was at my first Appleseed back in 2007 when I was 22. I wasn't too bad for being a totally self-taught shooter with nobody to show me the ropes, but I really wish there was a program like Appleseed back when I was 15, to get me started off the right way. That is one of the reasons I decided to become more involved in the program as a Shoot Boss and State Coordinator... because I know there are a lot of folks out there who could benefit from some systematic instruction in the proper use of firearms as much as I did.
Oh and yes, I am 26 and a practicing attorney, but I never totally lost my love for video games. I have an X-box and Call of Duty Black Ops... I kind of suck at it, but I still get on there sometimes after the GF goes to sleep. I am "henschman762" on X-box live if anybody wants to friend me, lol. You can look at my little record thingy and see how bad I suck, but hey, I could take any of you to school at Goldeneye.
Or the 25m Army Qualification Test. FullEffect1911
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Goldeneye.... what a superb game that was!
Cop Bob:
I agree with just about everything you wrote, especially that women are easier to teach to shoot. I think it has a lot to do with ego as well, shooting is a relatively masculine thing and more/most men don't like being taught things they already think they know.
It's the people who can step back and think that maybe they don't know everything there is to know that actually make strides to becoming better. Many younger males have a problem with this.
Cop Bob:
I agree with just about everything you wrote, especially that women are easier to teach to shoot. I think it has a lot to do with ego as well, shooting is a relatively masculine thing and more/most men don't like being taught things they already think they know.
It's the people who can step back and think that maybe they don't know everything there is to know that actually make strides to becoming better. Many younger males have a problem with this.
Gord
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youngda9 said:
If you don't think that attracting and mentoring a new generation of shooters to the sport and the cause is a pertinent issue, great; some of us do. It's a two-way street; they need to act and speak with maturity if they want to be taken seriously, but the older folks need to give them some leeway as well - the times are changing and the culture is too!
A lot of the older guys I see making fun of videogames feel the same way about computers as well - of course they tend to waste what comparatively little time they have left standing in line at the bank or the post office while I pay my bills or print out shipping labels at home.
The simple fact is that sooner or later we all have to adapt to new technologies and cultural changes or risk being marginalized as obsolete coots and curmudgeons pushing outdated methods and attitudes. I'm sure that by the time I'm 60 we'll all be jacked into the central NeuroNet piped directly into our brains or something - don't think I'm not mentally preparing myself for the day when I have to ask a youngster the equivalent of "my printer won't print, what do I do?"
Any young'uns feeling cocky should remember that one day we're going to be out of our element with technology too:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/12/12/
I've been shooting since I was 4 years old. Started with a pellet gun, moved up to .22LR and .410 shotgun when I was 6 or 7, moved up to 20 guage when I was 8 or 9 and I was shooting a .45 ACP 1911 as well .357 magnum. Moved up to 12 guage with full load 3 inch magnums and .30-30 when I was 10 (shot my first deer with 3" magnums at 12). Was shooting .30-06 and .45 Long Colt heavy loads by 13.
I spent a lot of time in the field and on the range as a kid. I also just happen to like plaing video games. I also like to watch movies. I love the site imfdb.com. I often point to a gun in the gunstore and remark to my dad "so and so was using that in such and such movie" He occasionally will point to one and ask "isn't that the gun they showed on the Military Channel top 10 list?"
I don't see the problem. I am passionate about guns, I am shooting them, I am here discussing them on a message board, I am watching them used in movies, I am watching Youtube videos about them and I am playing video games with guns in them.
I spent a lot of time in the field and on the range as a kid. I also just happen to like plaing video games. I also like to watch movies. I love the site imfdb.com. I often point to a gun in the gunstore and remark to my dad "so and so was using that in such and such movie" He occasionally will point to one and ask "isn't that the gun they showed on the Military Channel top 10 list?"
I don't see the problem. I am passionate about guns, I am shooting them, I am here discussing them on a message board, I am watching them used in movies, I am watching Youtube videos about them and I am playing video games with guns in them.
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mljdeckard
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I was 17 once too. There's a difference between someone who knows they need to learn a lot, and someone who thinks they know everything because they played video games. As long as they are pleasant and safe, I will work with them.
RX-178
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+1 to henschman
I wonder if it's just about a sense of being threatened? I mean, these potential new shooters might not know anything about real guns, but the gun store guys tend to know flat jack about videogames!
Yeah, I've been a gamer who wasted most of my free time on them ever since Xmas 1995 when I got a brand new Sony Playstation. You can still see my gaming PC running stuff in the background of my Vlogs too.
A few years ago though, I found myself starting to go to IGN and Gamespot less and less, and THR, Defense Review and Budsgunshop more and more. I don't think I'm quite ready to give up the gamer thing though. Maybe I'll do a video game review vid one of these days.
I wonder if it's just about a sense of being threatened? I mean, these potential new shooters might not know anything about real guns, but the gun store guys tend to know flat jack about videogames!
Yeah, I've been a gamer who wasted most of my free time on them ever since Xmas 1995 when I got a brand new Sony Playstation. You can still see my gaming PC running stuff in the background of my Vlogs too.
A few years ago though, I found myself starting to go to IGN and Gamespot less and less, and THR, Defense Review and Budsgunshop more and more. I don't think I'm quite ready to give up the gamer thing though. Maybe I'll do a video game review vid one of these days.
Here's a thought. What if someone wrote a video game that taught the safty aspect, included things like bullet drop and wind drift. Add a mil-dot scope using actual math. realistic flash and recoil. Something that would translate into real world shooting.
Gord
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Then that videogame would be incredibly tedious, no one would play it and it would lose the company that developed and/or published it crazy amounts of money.
There are already plenty of videogames out there that involve wind drift and bullet drop - I was playing one of them, Delta Force: Land Warrior, back in 2002. There are also sniper-centric games that involve laboriously crawling hundreds of yards towards a target in order to make an undetected shot, and you know what? They suck. I uninstalled that game after twenty minutes and demanded my money back.
Just like movies, videogames sacrifice realism for entertainment value. The problem occurs when people don't realize or acknowledge this. Do you really think kvetching about all the "inaccuracies" in every movie featuring gunplay is any different? Way to miss the point.
There are already plenty of videogames out there that involve wind drift and bullet drop - I was playing one of them, Delta Force: Land Warrior, back in 2002. There are also sniper-centric games that involve laboriously crawling hundreds of yards towards a target in order to make an undetected shot, and you know what? They suck. I uninstalled that game after twenty minutes and demanded my money back.
Just like movies, videogames sacrifice realism for entertainment value. The problem occurs when people don't realize or acknowledge this. Do you really think kvetching about all the "inaccuracies" in every movie featuring gunplay is any different? Way to miss the point.
Gord
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HOOfan_1 said:
No.
Having iron sights and breath sway (both features that have been in several games since the mid-'90s and probably earlier) does not make a game any more realistic in the purview of what we're talking about here. It would take an incredible amount of work to model the guns, their recoil, their ballistics, etc. to approximate their real-world counterparts as much as possible (and then you'd still run into issues like "how much damage should this gun do" - these things are not consistent IRL). Nor does it address the safety/handling aspect - are you going to put in a manual "finger off trigger" key and have the game script random NDs if you don't? Are you going to have any NPC (including allies) take up a firing stance and/or start shooting at you if you point your weapon at them? Etc., etc.
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