What's with you girls?

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I wish that this was true all of the time. I took my former girlfriend to the range for her first time and we used my Ruger Mk II and put a target out 5 yds. She couldn't hit paper until about 30 rds. I had given her a NRA Basic Pistol book to study 2 weeks before hand and then took 15 minutes to go over the operation of the gun and safety. I drew a sight picture on the target before hand to refresh her memory from the book. She didn't do too bad on the outdoor range with my Savage 93FVSS with a scope. I had her setup with a bench rest and all. She kept forgetting to operate the bolt and would keep trying to shoot without cycling it.

She tried putting the magazines into the gun backwards and generally didn't pay attention to anything I showed her. My sisters are great shots as well as most of the women in my family, including my mom.
 
It's because women don't have the testosterone-driven idea that they know how to shoot already. They pay attention to the instruction given and follow all of the fundamentals precisely without having an emotional attachment to being able to shoot.
Exactly!
 
Same here. First time I took my wife shooting she didn't hit anything....until i told her there was also a rear site (my bad for not telling her that in the first place.) Now I struggle to keep up. I am a 4th award expert on rifle and expert pistol in the Marine Corps. I held the range pistol high at Miramar for a while. She can't out shoot me yet but she can outshoot most Marines I know. I took my Garand out for the first time and after I put a few en-blocs through it she took a turn. All the guys at the range gathered around (most of them veterans who had trained on the Garand) and made a couple jokes about a "man's gun" and all that. Then they heard 8 quick pings off the 6 inch metal plate at 150 yards. One man asked me if I wanted to trade... not a chance. I want her on my side.
 
Yeah - Pisses me off too. Might be the slower heart rate. Also, the women that I've spoken with have always say that they don't view the target as some enemy or an aggressor. To them, it is a piece of paper and they just need to punch a hole in it.

I seriously wonder what would happen if our armed forces focused on training female snipers.

Yoda
What's with you girls?
This is crazy....
 
Women are used to calling the shots.

Don

:banghead: hahaha

My wife at the CHL class scored 100%, out of the 20 or so there, only 4 did. Not that this was an overly difficult feat, but I think nerves got most of the guys there. I framed the target for her and hung it in my office, she still shows it off when someone comes over.

Now if I could only get her to practice more.......
 
What bdickens and SSN Vet said.

My wife had not had ANY formal instruction in handgun when she took Vicki Farnam's basic course. After 2 days of instruction (much of which was devoted to avoidance, awareness, safety etc., not pure skills) she and 4 other new female shooters passed the following test: Pistol is set up with one live round in the chamber, 4 live rounds and one dummy round in the mag. Dummy placed by someone else, the shooter does not know the position of the dummy, but not the first or last in the mag. Second mag fully charged w/ live rounds. Target is an 8X10 steel plate at 8 yards. To pass the test, the student must have 100% hits, and zero procedural or safety errors. In other words, sweeping any body part or other person, finger entering the trigger guard when moving, drawing, reloading, or stoppage reduction, failure to move laterally during the draw, failure to move during the stoppage reduction or reload, failure to scan prior to the start, incorrect stoppage reduction procedure (tap, rack, re-engage), incorrect reloading procedure like dropping the first mag before the reload mag is in hand, or incorrect slide manipulation.

Shooter comes to the line, interview position, and on command begins moving laterally back and forth, scanning 360 degrees. On command, shooter moves laterally and draws simultaneously, holding on target w/ finger in register until the electronic timer signal to begin. At that point, she must move again laterally before firing continuously at the target. When the dummy round is encountered, she must reduce the stoppage while moving with the trigger finger in register. Tap rack bang. When the last round in that mag is fired, she must reload while moving with finger in register, then fire two more rounds. Time required must not exceed 22 sec for a mid level student, or something a bit more ( I forget) for basic. That is to earn a DTI pin. One miss, one error, and the whistle is blown and that test is over at that point. John and Vicki believe in stress while performing.

Long post, but I wanted to post it for 2 reasons. First, because I'm proud of my wife. Second, because this kind of performance is doable with good training in a fairly short period. Of course, it is a perishable skill, but still.... Impressed me that Vicki could get 15 students to this level in a weekend, and only have one student unable to pass the test ( a male sudent, FWIW). Students could shoot the test over, and many did before passing.

Back to OP. Vicki is very experienced, and she says the most remarkable beginning students often are women. The examples posted above are not surprising.

Steve
 
I don't know that I can truthfully say the majority of women I know shoot better than the majority of men (seems about equal), but I will say that they're more fun to go to the range with;)

But if we're accepting the premise and searching for a reason, I think ADKWoodsman had it right in an early post; it's undoubtably those darned BB gun triggers most of the men here learned on.
 
A friend and I were shooting at cloths pins on a wash line ( it was perfectly safe out in the country with miles of open field) when my girlfriend came out and asked what we were doing. We explained it to her and told her we were only hitting one every 2 or 3 shots. She picked up the rifle, hit 5 in a row set the rifle down, said whats the big deal and went back in the house to do more important things. Can't live with them can't live without them. FRJ
 
I also think its because they tend to have better fine motor skills and lower center of gravity (not sure what affect the later would have on shooting... comments?? ) I know that with rock climbing and snowboarding women learn to use their whole body quicker then a man. We -or at least I- tend to grab, pull and muscle my way to exhaustion.


EDIT- My wife can't hit anything but she has givin it a fair chance
 
I seriously wonder what would happen if our armed forces focused on training female snipers.

There is far more to being a good sniper than simply being a good shot. The US Air Force currently train women snipers as site security guards, but there they perform a role more similar to a DM than a true Sniper. In the rest of the services, Snipers are still a combat role, and women are excluded from being in combat roles. Not to get into that whole debate, but women have been looked at for snipers, but were found wanting.

Good female snipers are the exception, not the rule. Ludmilla Pavlovic (SP? my Russian is terrible) was just such an exception fom WWII, but on the whole, female snipers are not a possiblity.
 
Gotta play devil's advocate here, One great shot doesn't make you an expert marksman ( or woman).

Back in the day my mom made a fantastic 180 yard shot on a doe with a 30-30 open sighted, from that day forward she hasn't killed a deer. That was 20 years ago.

Repeatable accuracy counts, lucky shots are just lucky.
 
I have had the same experience more than once... I feel like it comes down to their willingness to listen.. the "clean slate," and it seems they are much more patient at going through with each step in the shooting process...

"Ok, now its loaded... FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER....put these cross hair thingies right in the middle of the black circle way down there.... Why is it so far away???.... Ok, he said take some deep breaths to calm down.... take one deep one and start squeezing the trigger slowly......BOOM!!!... Wow that was Loud!!! Ha, I made a better shot then you did!!!!"

and then, I never hear the end of it!!!
 
Women listen and take instruction better regarding firearms. Guys have too much ego and expect to be expert shots just because they are guys. It's stupid but true.
When I was in the Marines some Marksmenship Instructors told us that the WM's (Women Marines) almost always qualified the first time at the range in boot camp. On the other hand there are always male Marine Recruits that have to try again. Yankees, specifically New Yorkers, were the most likely guys to have try two or three times to qualify.
 
Oh C'mon now, everyone should know the answer for this Phenomenon.

Women know how to "squeeze" and Men only know how to "jerk". LOL!!!
 
I agree that SOME women can be great shots. My daughter is a great shot, naturally. However, I am a MUCH better shot than my wife, my mother in law and all other women that I personally shoot with. I think this thread is just a nice way to say we like women, but I disagree that they are automatically better shots than men.
 
Guys think they already know everything... Gals don't start with this mental handicap and actually listen to what is being taught to them...

How true. It's also evident in any other sport or activity where coaching is involved... unless, of course, the gal is the coach's spouse. :D
 
I know a lot of women as well who are excellent shots. Nothing to prove, nobody to impress. I love teaching people, especially how to use firearms.

That being said, I was trying to teach a friend's girlfriend how to shoot. We had a Benelli shotgun, some bird loads and a pumpkin. Distance was about 15 yards, modified choke. She could not hit that pumkin at all! She couldn't make sense out of anything I said! I explained basic bead alignment....MISS! I explained trigger control......MISS! It was terrible! Some are naturals, others aren't.

In most cases though, women are better than many will give them credit for.
 
Last week during practice I was bragging on the shooting of my two young female shooters, ages 16 and 20.

The younger girl said, "We shoot better than men because we're smarter".
I said, "No you two girls shoot better because you have a terrific instructor".:D


Later the younger girl was shooting my 45 Kimber Compact Custom at about 14 yards. She kept grouping about 3-4 inches below the one inch bullseye. After a couple magazines she said something about the gun shooting low.
I said, "Let me see, I haven't shot it in a good while".
I shot a magazine in about three inches centered on the bullseye. I handed the gun back to her and just said, "Nope, it isn't the gun".
You have to put them in their place once in a while.:D

After that I noticed she got the group up where it belongs.


While the 20 year old, friend of the 16 year old, was shooting, the younger girl told me, "I've got some competition".:) I said, "Yes you have".

Nothing like a little friendly competition to sharpen your shooting.


Later both girls were standing side by side blasting cans and targets with two 3 inch S&W J Frames.
You could just see how proud those two girls were.:)
 
The problem with women is that they actually listen to and follow the instructions.

They weren't born knowing how to shoot like guys who don't have to listen or follow instructions because they already know everything.

How can you compete against someone who actually listens?
 
Honestly? When women decide to do something, and when they are motivated, they are not as distractable as we are. Guys have a million things going through their minds, while a female who is motivated to shoot (wants to prove that she "can") simply focuses on the task at hand. Males have a much wider view of things and life in general, and thus, are more easily distracted. We tend to lack focus unless we are either angry or unless we've practiced something a lot. When a woman wants to "show up" the guys, she has two things on her mind, 1. focusing on the target, and 2. hitting the target.

The best way to train guys to shoot well, is to either start them young and teach them correct aiming principles, OR you can have guys get embarrassed by women a few times and motivated to copy women's incredible beginner's luck (which is the result of their focus when they are motivated to shoot).
 
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I love to see any person, male of female able to hit the 10 ring right from the start. The key is that they recieve the right training and know the rules of handling a firearm. Something I absolutely can not stand at the range is someone just handing thier .44 to thier girlfriend that has never touched a firearm, and then laughing at the results.
 
The lower center of gravity (wider base due to hip/leg bone construction vs a man's) is an advantage for women. Wider bases are more stable. My experience has been about 50/50 in teaching females to shoot. Some are scary because with minimal training they get good fast. As a general rule, unless they practice some, they revert back to beginner level fairly quick. YMMV
 
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