Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by leeroy71, Dec 17, 2011.
works just like when the hook on the screen door is caught "up" and locks you out of grandma's house when it slams.
any 8 year old knows that is a bad idea.
in 10 pages I did not read where anyone said that.
please enlighten us
What Guillermo just said!
It might be appropriate to share this: I used to feel "rather uncomfortable" pulling out a Taurus weapon when among shooting pals - because of their less-than-flattering statements about such weapons. But one of them bought a S&W 8-shot magnum revolver and I bought a Taurus 608 version of the weapon. Guess whose weapon attracted - and continues to attract - more interest and compliments! When we go to the range/ranch, guess whose weapon everyone wants to shoot one or two cylinder-fuls of!! I have no "fear" that the lock on my 608 will cease-up on me - unlike my buddy who's "mindful" that his could repeat what a cousin of his in Florida experienced with a weapon similar to his. But that might be only anecdotal.
LawScholar, I'm not picking on you, just using your post as one example. When it comes to positive vs negative feedback of gun manufacturers, the one thing I've noticed is that when someone does have a problem with a higher priced gun, the first responses tend to be "call S&W/Glock/Sig/Ruger, they'll make it right." Followed by tons of helpful advice.
When someone says "my Taurus PT709 is not locking back", the thread immediately goes to "Taurus is junk", followed by a locked thread. There is truth to the fact that a satisfied customer will tell ten others, a dissatisfied one will tell the world.
Going back to the original question: What's wrong with a Taurus? Nothing, it's just not a Smith and Wesson, Ruger, Sig, H&K, etc.
p.s. I own Ruger, S&W, and Taurus revolvers. The (older used)Smith Model 10 is my favorite, then the Ruger SP101 in my opinion. The Tracker 990 functions perfectly, but when I took it apart once, I noticed that the part that locks the cylinder in place from underneath is a bit "cheap" looking. Of course I paid half of what I would've paid for a S&W 617, so I don't expect S&W quality.
It did sit beside the bed at night. Now something else does and I doubt the OSS ever will again.
For someone that doesn't shoot as much as I do they may have never had any trouble with it.
My 3 year old SUV had a sensor problem earlier this year and it wouldn't turn much over an idle RPM and I was almost 100 miles from home. Didn't think I'd ever get back. I got it fixed, I think but every time I leave the house now I wonder.
What's my point? DIIK.
If you amended that to say "revolver" it would read
"What's wrong with a Taurus? Nothing, it's just not a Ruger"
Smith & Wesson may have some better finishing but otherwise it is difficult to understand why they are better. They too are "a crap shoot"
Smith and Wesson's "premier" "Performance Center" which is their custom shop.
If this is their custom shop...how bad is their regular line?
If you like them great but personally I would never trust my life to a Taurus. Yeah I might get one for a plinker or a range toy but no way would I get one for defensive purposes.
Their quality control is atrocious. This a pic of a Taurus revolver a guy ordered.
You would think that somewhere along the line somebody would have noticed the problem before it got to the customer.
Taurus has the absolute worst reputation of any gun company I have ever seen. On the internet, at gun stores and gunshows, at the range, and just about any gun circles you can name. I remember one fellow telling about how the cops stopped him, he told them he had a gun in the car and they asked what it was, he said it was a Taurus and they started laughing.
Now why do you suppose Taurus products have such a lousy reputation?
And no it's not just because they're cheap. I don't hear nearly as many complaints about Kel-Tecs or even Hi-Points as I do about Taurus.
There must be more to it that just snobbery or Taurus bashing.
Own whatever you like and enjoy, but Taurus products are something I steer clear of and that's my opinion.
Taurus designs great products and uses excellent materials (unlike hi point). They are a first world manufacturer and this cannot be denied. However, their quality control is suspect.
Yeah I've heard that explanation, it has to do with import points for barrel length.
But that still doesn't explain how something like that gets sent out to the customer, other than their QC system is horrible.
If something that obvious can slip through then what else gets by them?
That may well be but it doesn't explain their horrible reputation.
I mean here's a company like Hi-Point that makes cheap-ass potmetal guns that look like refugees from a toolbox, but yet they have a better reputation than Taurus.
There are several Taurus pistols that have caught my eye over the years but based on my own experience and their reputation I just don't feel confident getting one.
As you say their QC is "suspect" and frankly I'm just not willing to gamble my money on a company with "suspect" QC and a horrible reputation.
To each his own but I'd rather buy something from a company that's got a good reputation and more effective methods for QC.
What is it that makes you feel a Taurus is worth the gamble?
Not being a smart-ass, I honestly want to know why you feel a Taurus is worth the risks. I'm in the market for a pocket .380 and the TCP is an interesting choice, but I'm leaning towards the Ruger LCP simply because of Ruger's better reputation.
Am I wrong and why do you think so?
I never said Taurus is worth a gamble. There are simply too many other brands that don't have a bad reputation and can deliver a similar but better product.
I'm just saying as a Taurus owner, their products have the right idea, their manufacturing capability is spot on, but they allow too many bad parts to make it into their pistols. That's what really makes them unworthy.
My story is long and I'm not going to type the whole thing again. I did not listen to the salesman on my 2nd Taurus, so it was my fault. The manager of the big chain store warned his employees to steer customers away from Taurus (due to all the returns). I had the attitude of some in this thread, but trial by fire made a wiser man of me.
All had either seizing problems or failures to fire or both. All were sold. I have learned my lesson (finally). Don't let their pretty looks or finishes fool you.
p.s. Buying seven Tauruses and being dissatisfied sure isn't snobbery. It's wishful thinking. And my wishes did not come true. This never happened to me with a S&W.
That has to be because Taurus sells thousands more firearms than Hi-Point. Hi-Point has a whopping SEVEN items in their product line. Hi-Point was founded in 1992, Taurus started importing revolvers in 1968.
There are just tons of them out there. If you're comparing Hi-Points, compare them to Lorcin and Jimenez Arms.
Did you see the picture Guillermo posted of the S&W revolver? It happens.
Should that anecdote be counted as experience with a firearm's quality?
I'd qualify that as bashing simply because it's a "story" which proves nothing.
Here is the rub. The friend had shot his before, it worked fine with factory loads then, so it became his CCW. This time however, when he fired it, it locked up tighter than a drum. Hammer would not cock, cylinder would not turn nor open. Neither one of us could get it unstuck. He had to take it home and disassemble it to free it up.
Needless to say he ended up selling it. Imagine if he had needed it in a bad way. I lost confidence in mine after that and got rid of it as well. My (and his) one and only experience with Taurus. We never looked back.
...don't forget that SIGs rust, 1911's jam, USP's break firing pins, Delta Elites crack their frames, and Berettas break their locking blocks right before putting the back half of the slide through your bridgework.
The faster most folks realize that all guns suck, the happier they'll be.
It's amazing that "_____ sucks and _____"is great" is universally accepted and so passionately promoted. Except for some small quirk of fate, your choices may have been exactly the opposite of what they are today. If your parents had decided to buy a different house in a different town, you'd now be cheering for that football team that you so violently hate.
If you like Taurus, buy one. If you hate them, buy something else. I can tell you that I have two rather substantial local shops that will no longer sell nor take Taurus products in trade or for repair due to quality and/customer service issues. Their sample size is in the dozens or hundreds, so I trust their opinion.
Then again, I have a very good friend that had a Savage rifle. Groups looked more like shotgun patterns. Sent it to Savage. New barrel installed. I now own that rifle.
I've seen multiple Remington rifles that were absolutely horrid. I have have three 700's in my safe right now.
I have a Leupold VX-III that's going back because it won't hold zero. Should be one of the very best scopes you can get. They'll fix it free and it will come back good as new, maybe better.
If it's man made, it's subject to errors and problems. That is why we have warranties.
I can only say! Buy at you're own risk! It is not just Q.C. It is warranty issues also! Spend you're money on something that works!
Check out post #30 on this thread http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=455172&page=2.
Should we call Colt garbage because they didn't satisfy this customer?
No, but I think we should let our friends know when a company doesn't satisfy US! That what these 11 pages of posts have primarily been. A question was asked "What's wrong with a Taurus?" & several of us have tried to tell our friends how/why we weren't satisfied. And we've been called idiots, liars, gun snobs, etc. for relaying OUR experiences. I don't see many (any?) posts where we dissatisfied Taurus customers call Y'ALL names for having good luck with your purchase. We just say we no longer buy or trust them. And we don't and won't. If y'all wanna' have a TPR (Taurus Pep Rally) then start another thread titled "What's RIGHT with a Taurus?" and we...won't show-up.
And you should, but when someone says they heard a guy got laughed at by Police officers when he said told them he had a Taurus, you know it's getting childish.
I didn't see idiot or liar in this thread, if you did, that's not cool. I did see the word snob used. I personally don't consider someone who dislikes a lower priced anything a snob. To each his own..... However I don't like the looks of Hi-Point pistols, no matter the price. But I don't dislike the person who chooses a Hi-Point, that would make me a snob, I believe.
If by "we" you mean dissatisfied customers, I think you will show up. I'm starting the thread. Let's see it as an experiment shall we?
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