KelTec and Taurus Quality About The Same?

[HelterSkelter]

@tomcat

you may not have had any of yours break but there are many people out there that have. say you bought on for everyone of those 20 years, 20 guns. lets say taurus' quality is crappy and 1 out of 50 guns is garbage. all 20 of yours weren't the 1 in 50. that doesn't prove that they make good guns that proves that you were lucky enough to not get a garbage one.

now i know that their quality isn't so bad as 1 in 50 is a lemon, but they're not on par with say ruger or colt in terms of quality. i guarantee that ruger and colt and smith and wesson and all the higher quality revolver manufactures have much better ratios of duds to good guns than taurus.

 

[JTH]

Which KelTec autoloaders accept Glock magazine?
JT

 

[sansone]

IMO.. keltec has better cust service. Also they are manufactured in the USA. They get my vote

 

[hardluk1]

sansone What you said about buy american is kind of funny when your website offers Browning , a Herstal company from Belgium and AK among others. But your right that KT does have great CS. But so did taurus when i have to send in an old 22lr revolver for a new fireing pin and a tune up.

 

[bigfatdave]

Which KelTec autoloaders accept Glock magazine?

sub2000 carbine

 

[GlockFan]

I've had a p3at since Obummer took office. I was warry of it because I thought it was a cheaper off brand. I wanted to get a LCP but the LGS couldn't sell their stock because of the recall. In the end i am very happy with the gun and have not had any problems.

On a side note the original poster said...

Taurus Is older and sells alot more guns

Now does that mean in the U.S or world wide. I saw another post recently that listed the total sales/manufactured from the U.S in 2008 as...

Per the shock people showed above... below are the numbers. Kel-Tec was actually 4th, Sig was 3rd. My bad. Glock has 13.5% of the total sales of S&W.

Source:
ATF Report
Annual Firearms Manufacturing
Year 2008
Prepared 1/14/2010
Revised 5/24/2010


Pistols Manufactured in 2008 (abridged summary):
S&W: 519789 (261115 in Massachussets, 42719 in Maine, 215955 revolvers)
Ruger: 336235 (211061 in AZ, 28438 in NH, 96736 revolvers)
Sig Sauer: 123756
Kel-Tec: 117585 (yes, it is true they were 4th in sales in the USA in 2008)
Beretta: 84821
Glock: 70532
Kimber: 62603
Colt: 23178
Taurus: 11882
FN: 11829
Springfield Armory: 10878
H&K: 1100

I find some of those numbers hard to believe myself but I take the other poster at his word

 

[CZ223]

I have limited experience with Kel-Tec but...

here is my opinion anyway. I know several people who have the P3AT in 380 and the general concensus is that it is a very good gun. If I did not own two LCPs already I would buy the used KT at my local toy store for $180.

I own two Taurus PT 1911s that have been flawless. This is one of the best deals out there in 1911s. The Taurus 92 has a rock solid reputation and I will probably end up with one eventually. The other Taurus that I would buy without hesitation is their model 85 revolver. I have handled some of their other designs and they feel like toys. They may work but I am not sold yet.

The bottom line is that both companies make good products and both produce the occasional lemon.

 

[ndoutdoors]

I can only speak on the Taurus. i have 4 of them and like them all. i have had no issues with the revolver, none with the 24/7 9mm none with the 24/7 OSS tactical. I have over 800 rds through my Taurus 738 TCP without a hiccup. Id buy another one in a heart beat.

 

[jon_in_wv]

I've owned a P32 and a P11 and both worked great. The only Taurus I had was a PT-22 and it was utter crap. Two trips back to the factory and its still crap. The only Taurus I would every buy again is a PT92. My experience with the PT-22 was bad enough that I pretty much swear off Taurus altogether. I would have no trouble buying another Keltec.

 

[Onward Allusion]

JTX
Which KelTec autoloaders accept Glock magazine?
JT

The SUB2000 carbines come in 3 magazine flavors - S&W 59, Glock 17/22, Beretta 92. The Kel-Tec P11 accepts S&W 69 mags flush. S&W 59 mags with a little protrusion and work fine if you have +5 or +10% springs.

 

[Onward Allusion]

KT = inexpensive, ugly, & reliable (latest generation stuff, that is). Great customer service.

Taurus = moderately priced, prettier, & usually reliable. Mediocre customer service.

 

[PT92]

Owner of:

Kel-Tec-
P-11
2 Sub2000's

Taurus-
PT-92
24/7 OSS Tactical
PT-25

All of the aforementioned have performed flawlessly absent any modifications whatsoever.

That being said, I believe there are lemons in every lot of everything on the Planet that is manufactured in any machining process. Simple law of mechanics.

-Cheers

 

[jon_in_wv]

I think the PT-92 stands out a little from the rest of the Taurus line. I've never heard anything bad about them and I'd love to have one.

 

[Flipper56]

I can only attest to what I've experienced. I bought a P11 because every feature and specification matched exactly to what I wanted in a carry gun. I carry it because it has simply never failed once.

I can say the same thing about the Taurus firearms which I own.

How many Recalls has Ruger had recently? I still love 'em but let's be fair! I had a Tanfoglio EAA where the slide cracked I received quick customer service from both companies. I really like that Witness Tactical but can you imagine if that happened at an inoppurtune moment?

 

[jon_in_wv]

But in a comparison between Taurus and Keltec how many recalls Ruger has had really doesn't prove much. Neither does what you think of the Witness line since it isn't made by either company.

 

[Flipper56]

I hear what you're saying jon.........it's just that some people grow weary of perpetual Taurus-bashing or Kel-Tec criticism. It was not my intention to go off on a tangent or hi-jack the thread 'cause then I would have given ya my opinion of S&W

 

[frankjg]

Might I add this I own 4 Kel-tec, 4-Taurus and 2-Seecamp guns.

The Kel-tecs are wonderful utility tools, TheTaurus are machinest tools and the Seecamps are precision tools never to be fired.

I have never had a singular failure with any of my guns and am especially pleased with the fine tooling with the Taurus. The Seecamps I am not so happy with because they are so good that they never leave the box. I would love to see how Seecamp can micro fit all the parts so beautifully.

 

[jon_in_wv]

Wow, that may be the first time I have every heard of Taurus' referred to as "machinist" tools due to their fine tooling. To each his own but if I'm looking for fine tooling and machine work Taurus wouldn't be my first stop. Neither would Keltec but at least with KT I have the comfort of knowing that if something does go wrong they will make it right without fuss. I like supporting a company that is interested in taking care of the customer and not just making themselves rich.

 

[frankjg]

Hi Jon:

Agreed Keltecs are not fine polished but love them. As far as Taurus, All my Taurus are 24/7 OSS and are finely made. Parts fit like a glove and things like feed ramps are highly polished as well as the mag follower to slide lock. The striker plunger depth is repeatable on every stroke.

Frank

 

[doc2rn]

Owned both, each has a specific line that is good with alot of others that are in need of QC at the factory. However with the catastrophic failure X3 goin to Taurus I will never buy another, got rid of the ones I owned that where just ok too, like the 66.
I have owned a Kel Tec .380 thats gone back twice then they just sent me a new one, and in a lot less time than Taurus CS did. I would buy another if I found one that interests me.

 

[otomik]

kel-tecs are new innovative designs from one talented guy George Kellgren


Taurus is one of the least innovative companies out there relying on cheap labour and S&W and Beretta designs.

when a kel-tec fails i guess i have a different attitude about it. like at least they were trying for something new and interesting, they refine the design too. some of the taurus failures like the ones on the pt111 where the plastic pins connecting the metal subframe to the plastic frame sheared off, i mean thats out of a very questionable design choice, being real cheap, they screwed up doing something on the cheap.

 

[jon_in_wv]

Actually Otomik the plastic pins securing the plastic grip to the metal frame is a design stolen by Taurus from Keltec. The PT111, to me, bears a pretty strong resemblance in many ways to the P-11. The problem isn't the design, but the implementation. I've read many things about the Keltecs but I've never come across failures of the plastic pins.

 

[bigfatdave]

The PT111, to me, bears a pretty strong resemblance in many ways to the P-11.

wat?
A striker-fired SA/DA with a manual safety resembles a hammer-fired DAO without an external safety lever ... elaborate

 

[jon_in_wv]

Other than the fact they are very similar is size, shape, weight, they are both DAO (the Pro models are the sa/da I believe) but the most obvious similarity is the one already mentioned they both have plastic grips attached to a metal subframe with plastic pins. The pins are even in the same location. Obviously, there are differences and why I stated their was a "strong resemblence", I didn't say they were the same.