whats wrong with this EBAY auction

[Flyboy73]

I may be wrong, but is this auction not for a complete gun. He says a type 99 barrell, but looks like the reciever is there too. Dosn't the BATF consider the reviever a gun?

Throw in a stock, bolt, floorplate and follwer/spring and looks like a complete gun to me.

Brionh

http://cgi.ebay.com/WWII-JAPANESE-A...45QQihZ014QQcategoryZ4080QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[R.W.Dale]

Those pop up from time to time, The last one I ran across I warned the seller that what he was doing was illegal and he pulled the auction.

 

[redneckdan]

the fact they're payin 10 grand for a rifle

 

[cracked butt]

the fact they're payin 10 grand for a rifle

LOL.

I didn't even see the receiver until the 2nd look. I stopped when I saw the bid..

 

[mnrivrat]

A different auction went off the other day - actualy two auctions. One for the barrels and forearm, the second for the stock and receiver.

Exposed hammer side by side when put together. I don't feel compelled to point them out to ebay or the seller - figure that is between ebay and the seller as far as policy goes, and the seller and gov as far legality goes. This one may have been pre-1898 ?

 

[The Deer Hunter]

the fact they're payin 10 grand for a rifle

Thats what I was thinking.

 

[220_Swift]

That auction stinks of rotten fish. Look at the bid history. First one is from bidder 1, and the second one is bidder 2. So, illegal sale, overly inflated price, and false bidders.Hmmm?

 

[The Deer Hunter]

Were Arisakas produced pre-1898?

 

[Frog48]

Probably a BATFE sting.

 

[kungfuhippie]

If you feel so compelled, warn the seller...

 

[alucard0822]

I was thinking sting, but the guy has a few unrelated items in his feedback and is also selling the monopod, I thought, 1. realized what he had done and had a buddy outbid evryone to close it, or the BUYER is BATF. The buyer hasnt bought anything off of ebay for a few years, and then it was computer stuff mostly, but he has some VERY LOW ROAD stuff on his e-bay info page, possible cracked acct, stinks of an undercover ATF account that they might have created for spying on hamas/AL Queda/Aryan brotherhood or something like that (free_palestine18). I think we are better off not getting anywhere near this one(tinfoil hat back on)

 

[kungfuhippie]

lol read the buyer's profile!!!

Either he's crazy or a very disturbed BATFE agent was bored at work.

http://myworld.ebay.com/free_palestine18/

 

[alucard0822]

Anytime I stumble upon a reciever on ebay I normally send a polite e-bay msg to the seller informing them they may want to read up on the law reguarding reciever sales to annonymous folks, the question and reply (if there is one) post on the listing page. I figure if it is an honest but unknowledgeable seller it may help keep them from ending up in prison, if its a BATF agent it may help keep honest buyers not schooled in gun laws from ending up there too.

 

[Gator]

That auction stinks of rotten fish. Look at the bid history. First one is from bidder 1, and the second one is bidder 2. So, illegal sale, overly inflated price, and false bidders.Hmmm?

Just FYI, eBay replaces the bidders names with "Bidder 1, 2, 3, etc". It is no indication of fake bidders. But I agree the auction is fishy otherwise.

 

[CWL]

Ebay rules don't allow any kind of guns to be sold (receivers) even if they're antique flintlocks and usually pulls them if they find out.

In this case, click the winning bidder (free palestine19) link, and look at the bio; looks like this member has been hijacked long ago.

 

[dstorm1911]

sounds more like a payment was made for something other than an Ariska barreled reciever....... sometimes pay-pals 3% fee is the lesser of two evils...

 

[jacobhh]

Last week a K98 barreled receiver went off for a little over $200.
If it wasn't a sting someone wanted that reciever awful bad!

 

[8200rpm]

If the seller is BATFE, the buyer will probably be a FBI informant. Such things have happened.

 

[Lucky]

Lol that's awesome. Police-state comedy

 

[12pointerinsights]

Most auctions with any parts of a rifle/gun are just setups by law enforcement to see if someone is idiotic enough to bid on them, they dont allow the sale of any of that on ebay unless they are airsoft guns. The reason for this is so a possible maniac cant just go on ebay and buy parts to a rifle and murder a bunch of people. As for the very few auctions that arent set up the seller is a complete idiot and belongs in jail for trying something in the first place.

 

[nwilliams]

What is illegal about about any of this? Its against ebay policy yes, but even if someone did win and a transaction took place, if the transaction is done in a legal manor the only law that is being broken is ebay policy. There is no law against a private gun sale, if the seller ships the item to an FFL after the sale is made and the item is legally transferred than its just one that ebay missed.

Gun sales are not allowed on ebay, but trying to sell guns on ebay isn't illegal it only breaks ebay policy. If ebay doesn't find out and someone actually wins this item then its up to the seller and buyer at that point to follow correct procedure when dealing with firearms. Nobody can get in trouble for bidding on this item or even for winning it, it would be no different from someone putting an ad in a newspaper or on gunbroker or even Craigslist.

Honestly who is going to pay 10k for this item? This is just a guy selling a prohibited item on ebay and asking an outrageous amount for it, nothing more. If ebay officials find out the auction will be closed, end of story. If they miss it and the item actually sells, then its up to the seller to go about completing the transaction in accordance to the law. Also I seriously doubt the government would put something like this up for auction thinking they are going to attract potential manics, they would probably choose something a bit more obvious. IMO its just someone who doesn't know what they are selling and not fully aware that this is considered a firearm and against ebay policy, I'm sure this happens a lot.

That's my take on this.

 

[cracked butt]

It smells bad to me.

The 2 bids put on the item were in excess of $9000 for something that might be worth $150?

 

[Gewehr98]

Bovine Excrement.

Most auctions with any parts of a rifle/gun are just setups by law enforcement to see if someone is idiotic enough to bid on them, they dont allow the sale of any of that on ebay unless they are airsoft guns. The reason for this is so a possible maniac cant just go on ebay and buy parts to a rifle and murder a bunch of people. As for the very few auctions that arent set up the seller is a complete idiot and belongs in jail for trying something in the first place.

That's so wrong on so many levels I had to step in.

1. I'm not an ATF agent looking for a sting. (I am a lawman and FFL holder, though...)

2. I sell gun parts on eBay, as do many, many others who have made a decent business out of the practice.

3. I don't break any state, local, or federal laws by doing so.

4. eBay has liability lawyers to keep them worried.

5. eBay bans the sale of CERTAIN gun parts to avoid members selling them to jurisdictions where they are illegal. For example, 30-round AK magazines, while legal in most of the United States, are not legal to import into California.

6. eBay bans the sale of receivers to avoid the perception of being labeled as Dealers in Death, period. Works fine for AuctionArms, though. Go figure.

7. To avoid getting involved in various jurisdictional quagmires, eBay simply flat out bans the auction of items that could conceivably run afoul of those regional laws.

7. My Winchester Model 94 stock and forend I recently sold were just fine with eBay. So are my Mauser 98 bolts and Winchester Model 12 shotgun barrels. They were specifically listed as gun parts, under the SPORTING GOODS/HUNTING/GUN PARTS category in eBay. It ain't all AirSoft, kiddies.

8. Barreled receivers fall under eBay's ban list. That doesn't make them illegal, just against eBay corporate policy. There IS A DIFFERENCE.

9. Assuming the winner of the auction for that Arisaka uses a proper FFL-to-FFL transfer after the auction, nothing illegal has happened. Likewise, if the auction winner is a Georgia resident, he can pick it up in person with no FFL required. Again, nothing illegal.

10. eBay uses spider/crawler software to parse the auction listings, looking for specifically banned items. If you read the auction wording for the Japanese Arisaka barreled action, you won't find any mention of the receiver in the ad. That means it slipped by the eBay parsing software, either intentionally or otherwise. The fact that the barreled receiver auction stays online means it was missed by both the parsing software and manual review by eBay employees, that's all.

11. Thus concludes the application of the clue bat. Talk amongst yourselves.

 

[Flyboy73]

I never said the Auction was Illegal. Against EBAY polices yes. However i think the auction was misleading, so that someone who dosn;t know any better, would think he is buying parts of gun a, Arisaka barrel.

When i first saw it, the buy it know price was $159 and i think there was a one bid for a $100.

That $9,999 ending bid really shocked me.

I thought at first the auction may have been legit, but for there was something fishy with it.

ATF sting? could be.

Brion

 

[Gewehr98]

Look at the seller's feedback report.

He's been selling Arisaka parts for some time now.

Now, the winning bid price is pretty extravagant. Watch the seller's and buyer's feedback rating over the next month or so. If the buyer of this particular $9,999 Arisaka barreled receiver gets good feedback from the seller, it's a done deal as far as eBay is concerned. If the buyer reneges on the deal, you might see it in negative feedback, barring something else fishy going on, see below.

There are also shill bidders, who work in collaboration with the seller to boost the bidding during the auction or to create feedback without an actual transfer of goods or funds. eBay frowns on the practice, but it does happen, and is tough to prove without some effort on the part of all involved.

I'm not saying the Feds aren't watching eBay for gun sale sting opportunities, just don't automatically attribute a weird sale to that type of circumstance.