whats wrong with this EBAY auction

[Flyboy73]

With that high of selling price. The seller would owe ebay around $170 for final value fees. If this is someone bidder to boost a rating. Awful expensive fee.

Brion

 

[Flyboy73]

Auction is back.

http://cgi.ebay.com/WWII-JAPANESE-A...21QQihZ014QQcategoryZ4080QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Brion

 

[gezzer]

Is this the ebay, Jr Gman forum?

 

[Gewehr98]

Brion, that is indeed interesting.

Gonna have to pull up a chair, pop some popcorn, and see how this one goes.

I'm thinking either the previous $9,999 bidder defaulted, or perhaps we do have some hunting over bait in progress.

 

[kungfuhippie]

Now that I look at it again, the original winner; free_palestine18 hasn't had feedback since 2005, and all his information is some form of racism. I think he's the ebay equivalent of a troll. He bids to jack up the price and then doesn't pay. That is why the "barrel" is back up for auction. But still, I just want to sit back and watch.

 

[Flyboy73]

Just noticed he changed some of the wording in the second auction. Pics are the same. But the discription changed slighty.

Strange.

Brion

 

[kungfuhippie]

anyone notice the question in the first auction?

Q: Hi, what is the serial# and series on the receiver? Thanks. Jul-14-07
A: It is series 30, serial 52XXX..

I just asked him about shipping it outside Georgia and FFLs fees. might as well have some fun with it

 

[kungfuhippie]

Just goth this from the seller;

Hi.. The barrel by itself can be shipped anywhere in the US without an FFL or a C&R. If you are recefering to buying the barrell and receiver (outside Ebay of course) I can ship to your C&R directly without any extra charges. If you do not have a C&R I have to ship it to an FFL. I do not incur extra charges to ship to an FFL. The FFL do charge you a fee to receive an item though.

 

[Gewehr98]

Red flag time there.

He can not ship a stripped barreled receiver as a C&R. That's a no-no under ATF specific guidance.

From my own FFL paperwork:

27 CFR 178.118: IMPORTATION OF
CERTAIN FIREARMS CLASSIFIED
AS CURIOS OR RELICS
(Also 178.11 and 178.26)

ATF Rul. 85-10
[snip]
". . . Moreover, ATF's classification of surplus military firearms as curios or relics has extended only to those firearms in their original military configuration. Frames or receivers of curios or relics and surplus military firearms not in their original military configuration were not generally recognized as curios or relics by ATF since they were not of special interest or value as collector's items. Specifically, they did not meet the definition of curio or relic in section 178.11 as firearms of special interest to collectors by reason of a quality other than is ordinarily associated with sporting firearms or offensive or defensive weapons."
More, from the ATF Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide, ATF Publication P 5300.4 (01-00)

Under General Information, Items of Interest, Section 8, Paragraph b, Page 119:

What are Curios or Relics?

As set out in the regulations (27 CFR 178.11), curios or relics include firearms which have special value to collectors because they possess some qualities not ordinarily associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons.

To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must:

1. Have been manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof; or

2. Be certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; or

3. Derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, or bizarre, or from the fact of their association with some historical figure, period, or event.

Here's where they reiterate it again:

c. Licensed Collector's Activities

ATF has recognized only assembled firearms as curios or relics. Moreover, ATF's classification of surplus military firearms as curios or relics has extended only to those firearms in their original military configuration.

Frames or receivers of curios or relics are not generally recognized as curios or relics by ATF since they are not of special interest or value as collectors' items. Specifically, they do not meet the definition of curio or relic in 27 CFR 178.11 as firearms of special interest to collectors by reason of a quality other than is ordinarily associated with sporting firearms or offensive or defensive weapons.

No stripped receiver, of any date or any kind, can be given C&R status. BATF takes the position that C&R is for collectors and that no one collects receivers. That's why the big C&R distributors like SOG, Century, Samco, etc. will NOT sell you a receiver or barreled receiver on a C&R FFL. It has to be a regular FFL.

 

[Flyboy73]

Guy bought it for the buy it know pirce of 149.99. The buyer bought mostly gun parts from his last auctions. 99 parts, K98 bayonet,1903 shims, k98 parts, Krag bolt, etc.

I wonder if he knows he not getting the reciver.

Brion

 

[Cosmoline]

US $9,999.00

That price, for the product offered, is per se fraudulent. That's par for the course on ebay. It's a con man's paradise over there. I haven't used their services since a fellow refused to ship a book I'd purchased. Ebay claimed to have investigated, but wouldn't tell me what they did (if anything) about it. Never got my money or my book. The fellow was still operating on there last I looked, with about a dozen feedbacks also saying they never got their stuff. One of these days some bright lawyer is going to get a class action adding up all these claims. Beyond a point if you continue to let con men use your facility you become part of their criminal enterprise.