Wheel Gun Internal Locks Poll

[Guillermo]

I have learned to like the IL on the S&W.

It is a moronic design that works with the axis of the recoil of the gun. A drunk retarded monkey could have done better.

Still it is my belief that life is too safe these days. Too many safety regulations. In days gone by, stupid people took themselves out of the gene pool with much more regularity. They did it with cars, power tools and yes...guns.

Darwinism should apply to the gun community.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

I believe in keep it sweet and simple: the fewer unnecessary parts the better.

If the gun needs to be locked (as when I'm away from the house and the gun is home), it needs to be in a lock box or safe.

 

[918v]

If the Clintons wanted a safety, S&W should have installed a 1911-type thumb safety.

Wait... that's just as stupid.

 

[PolymathPioneer]

As a matter if fact I turned down 6 or 7 revolvers in the last couple weeks because they had the lawyer lock.

The only revolver I have with a lawyer lock is a $4000 500 S&W. The only reason I have that is it was given to me.

Now don't you think that someone that defaces a gun like this with that ugly hole should be horse whipped.

That is amazing work! Maybe you could have the ILS removed and have the hole filled in with a small gold plug, flush to the frame and polished. Seriously, I think it would look very nice if it was done professionally.

 

[M2 Carbine]

Beautiful BBQ gun, show us a pic of the whole unit, plus another with the leather, please!

I couldn't get a decent picture of the whole gun, too much "bling".
This is what it looks like but the picture doesn't nearly do the gun justice.
http://www.ahffirearms.com/products/SWSECOND.asp

No holster. Would you believe they give you white gloves just to handle the gun. Of course no cocking the hammer.

That is amazing work! Maybe you could have the ILS removed and have the hole filled in with a small gold plug, flush to the frame and polished. Seriously, I think it would look very nice if it was done professionally.

I really hate that hole but there's nothing that could be done at this point that wouldn't greatly decrease it's value. Although a small Gold plug is a good idea.

I didn't buy the gun. It was given to me. I really have no interest in it, so I just showed it to everyone then put it in the bank vault.

I cussed S&W and that hole every time I showed the gun to someone.

 

[918v]

You could plug the hole, but what about the hammer slot and the groove in the hammer itself?

 

[JellyJar]

I have one revolver with an ILS. Its a Ruger new Vaquero. The lock is under the grips where it can't be seen and is of the type that cannot accidentally engage during firing. However, I will never buy a Smith and Wesson revolver with their ILS and I don't care how easy it may be to remove.

Take care

JJ

 

[Snowbandit]

I gave in, bought one model 340 with the lock and never had a problem with it because the lock is still in the box and the revolver is in my pocket. I like this revolver because it's light and makes a perfect back up to my model 28. I'll not be buying another with the lock. I used to buy 1-3 new S&W's every year and have bought a total of one since they came out with the lock and, I only bought that one because it wasn't available without the lock. I certainly don't need any more guns and my want list, particularly as far as new revolvers are concerned, is now totally depleted due to the lock.

I didn't vote, put me in the camp with those who bought one but won't be buying anymore.

 

[PolymathPioneer]

I gave in, bought one model 340 with the lock and never had a problem with it because the lock is still in the box and the revolver is in my pocket. I like this revolver because it's light and makes a perfect back up to my model 28. I'll not be buying another with the lock. I used to buy 1-3 new S&W's every year and have bought a total of one since they came out with the lock and, I only bought that one because it wasn't available without the lock. I certainly don't need any more guns and my want list, particularly as far as new revolvers are concerned, is now totally depleted due to the lock.

I didn't vote, put me in the camp with those who bought one but won't be buying anymore.

Thanks for your post and your position is noted. I will make a note of positions not covered by the poll in my OP.

 

[788Ham]

M2,

Thanks for showing us a full pic, I understand about the bling part, a true beauty! You'd better wear gloves!! I'm happy for you, not many have a piece like that.

 

[iflyem1]

I don't like the lock and won't be buying a new S&W with one. I think it detracts from the revolvers looks if that tmakes any sense to you guys. I'm of the opinion that if I need to lock it, I will put it in the safe. Otherwise I like my revolvers without the Hillary Hole.

 

[Shienhausser]

I have a newer S&W 686 and while I have never had any problems with it, after buying an older S&W, it's not just the lock but other factors as well that will forever keep me from buying a newer locked S&W again.

 

[imoXu]

my M&PR8 had a lock
I had to remove it after it broke firing some 158gn wincherster 357magnum rounds.
posted here with pics of the offending piece.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=587295&highlight=internal+lock+failure
I would still probably buy another smith revolver, as good opportunites for used guns are not as common over here in Australia.
but the first thing I would do is take it out.

Dan

 

[woad_yurt]

I almost voted "no" but caught myself. I wouldn't buy a new one but may consider a used one as part of a trade or if the price was good enough. One never knows what will drop into one's lap....

 

[PolymathPioneer]

my M&PR8 had a lock
I had to remove it after it broke firing some 158gn wincherster 357magnum rounds.
posted here with pics of the offending piece.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=587295&highlight=internal+lock+failure
I would still probably buy another smith revolver, as good opportunites for used guns are not as common over here in Australia.
but the first thing I would do is take it out.

Dan

Thanks for including your thread link in this thread regarding ILS failure. The pictures are excellent.

 

[PolymathPioneer]

I almost voted "no" but caught myself. I wouldn't buy a new one but may consider a used one as part of a trade or if the price was good enough. One never knows what will drop into one's lap....

Thanks for your your input that is not covered by the thread poll. I have included a note for thread followers to look for alternative thoughts at the beginning of the thread.

 

[Guillermo]

I would not buy a S&W IL gun.

It is designed to fail.

Taurus or Ruger locks, as they work on a perpendicular axis to the recoil of the gun, do not bother me

 

[PolymathPioneer]

Interesting Poll Results So Far

As of today the poll is running about 50/50. S&W executives take note. Perhaps the so-called liability/insurance cost issues (i.e. hence the ILS according to S&W corporate) is addressed by 50% more revenues (i.e. numbers from the poll) that provides a non-ILS alternative product. A custom shop offering with no ILS would be great. Indeed, it would be very interesting if there was an ILS custom shop "S&W Classic" alternative, i.e. similar to what Winchester did.

 

[Guillermo]

In addition to not considering a new S&W revolver, I did not consider an M&P when I bought my polymer wondergun.

Spent my money on a Springfield XD

Smith ignores their customers and this one ignores them when my wallet is concerned.

 

[M3stuart]

I voted no.

Before I ever considered it an issue I started buying pre-lock used S&W revolvers which I really like. (See SW forum for posts there). I now have 3. The older Smiths, IMHO, are just a better deal. You get a great gun for the price of a new Rossi or Taurus (which I also own or owned).

So, I said no, but not because I have a major issue with the ILS itself, but because I just don't think the new Smiths are as good a deal as the used Smiths. For example; I recently bought a used 4" 64-5 (I think) K frame (made in 1997 I think) in great shape for $350. That is at least what you'd pay for a new 'fill in the blank'.

 

[SPW1]

I can't really vote with the two options given. I consider the Taurus and smith locks a unsightly negative but I might buy a revolver with one if it was a gun I wanted badly enough and the price was right. At this time though the only smiths I own have no lock. The internal lock on rugers revolvers on the other hand doesn't bother me much at all and I would and have bought revolvers so equipped.

 

[PolymathPioneer]

I can't really vote with the two options given. I consider the Taurus and smith locks a unsightly negative but I might buy a revolver with one if it was a gun I wanted badly enough and the price was right. At this time though the only smiths I own have no lock. The internal lock on rugers revolvers on the other hand doesn't bother me much at all and I would and have bought revolvers so equipped.

I am looking at a Ruger Single Action stainless purchase and would like to know where the ILS would be located. I am going in tomorrow to purchase it but only if there is no ILS (I looked it over and couldn't find any ILS but need to be certain since I won't buy a revolver so equipped for the intended purpose of last resort bear medicine backup if my M-70 or UDAP bear spray fails). I just started a different thread asking where to look for ILS on a Ruger single action blackhawk revolver. It sounds like you know, could you tell me where to look for the ILS? Much obliged for any help.

 

[Sport45]

If the price was right, I wouldn't let the lock stop me.

 

[skidder]

I was in that same store Saturday and probably walked right by you.

A big resounding NOOOO!!! A bread crumb tossed to a sleeping society awoken by the sound of complacency. "They are for your own good", and you will understand when you see all the lives they save. Yes master, what else will you toss me from your bag of infringements?? Do you want me to roll over and play dead? I do that very well.....

 

[Got_Lead?]

I think the internal lock is one of the most absurd and useless features ever conceived for a firearm. Kind of like locking the barn door after the cows all got out.