When the Profile Fits the Crime

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July 28, 2005
When the Profile Fits the Crime
By PAUL SPERRY
IN response to the serial subway bombings in London, Mayor Michael Bloomberg prudently ordered the police to start searching the bags of New York's subway riders. But there will be absolutely no profiling, Mr. Bloomberg vowed: the police will select one out of every five passengers to search, and they will do so at random, without regard for race or religion.

In that case, the security move is doomed to fail.

Young Muslim men bombed the London tube, and young Muslim men attacked New York with planes in 2001. From everything we know about the terrorists who may be taking aim at our transportation system, they are most likely to be young Muslim men. Unfortunately, however, this demographic group won't be profiled. Instead, the authorities will be stopping Girl Scouts and grannies in a procedure that has more to do with demonstrating tolerance than with protecting citizens from terrorism.

Critics protest that profiling is prejudicial. In fact, it's based on statistics. Insurance companies profile policyholders based on probability of risk. That's just smart business. Likewise, profiling passengers based on proven security risk is just smart law enforcement.

Besides, done properly, profiling would subject relatively few Muslims to searches. Elderly Muslim women don't fit the terrorist profile. Young Muslim men of Arab or South Asian origin do. But rather than acknowledge this obvious fact, the New York Police Department has advised subway riders to be alert for "people" in bulky clothes who sweat or fiddle nervously with bags.

Well, a lot of people wear bulky clothes. A lot of people fiddle with their bags. And for that matter, a lot of people sweat. Could the Police Department be any more general in describing the traits of an Islamic suicide bomber? Could its advice be more useless?

Truth be told, commuters need to be most aware of young men praying to Allah and smelling like flower water. Law enforcement knows this, and so should you. According to a January 2004 handout, the Department of Homeland Security advises United States border authorities to look out for certain "suicide bomber indicators." They include a "shaved head or short haircut. A short haircut or recently shaved beard or moustache may be evident by differences in skin complexion on the head or face. May smell of herbal or flower water (most likely flower water), as they may have sprayed perfume on themselves, their clothing, and weapons to prepare for Paradise." Suspects may have been seen "praying fervently, giving the appearance of whispering to someone. Recent suicide bombers have raised their hands in the air just before the explosion to prevent the destruction of their fingerprints. They have also placed identity cards in their shoes because they want to be praised and recognized as martyrs."

The bodies of the London suicide bombers were recognized by their identification cards. And on the eve of the 9/11 attacks, the hijackers shaved and perfumed themselves with flower water in a pre-martyrdom ritual called ablution. But don't expect the federal authorities to screen for these indicators on Amtrak, which pulls into Penn Station in New York and Union Station in Washington, two of the biggest commuter-rail depots in the country. Not only is there no passenger profiling on Amtrak, but there's no screening or mandatory searching of carry-on bags. The only restriction on bags is a 50-pound weight limit - and that's not much comfort when you recall that the bombs used in London weighed only 10 pounds.

Once an Islamist suicide bomber is sitting next to you on the train, your chances of escape are slim. The only solution is for the police to stop him well before he boards your car. But with the system as it stands, that terrorist could easily slip in through the numerical window of random security screening. By not allowing police to profile the most suspicious train passengers - young Muslim men who fit the indicators above - Mr. Bloomberg and other leaders not only tie one hand behind law enforcement's back, but they also unwittingly provide terrorists political cover to carry out their murderous plans. Call it politically correct suicide.

Paul Sperry, a Hoover Institution media fellow, is the author of "Infiltration: How Muslim Spies and Subversives Have Penetrated Washington."



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"Random?"

"the police will select one out of every five passengers to search, and they will do so at random, without regard for race or religion."

Well, which is it - RANDOM or every 5th passenger? :scrutiny:

Random-stop roadblocks were deemed unConstitutional; those which stopped EVERY car or a fixed number (every 10th car, for example) were acceptable. This suggests that random searches would be deemed illegal, while searching every Xth victim is acceptable.
 
Well, which is it - RANDOM or every 5th passenger?

Random-stop roadblocks were deemed unConstitutional; those which stopped EVERY car or a fixed number (every 10th car, for example) were acceptable. This suggests that random searches would be deemed illegal, while searching every Xth victim is acceptable.
Do you really trust the SCOTUS to tell us the definition of random in this context. Every fifth person is random because it demonstrates no regard for any evidence, or for who is being searched. No mental effort or observation is required short of the ability to count to five. Strictly mathematically, that is not random, but as to who gets searched and why, it is.
 
IN response to the serial subway bombings in London, Mayor Michael Bloomberg prudently ordered the police to start searching the bags of New York's subway riders.

There's nothing the least bit "prudent" about throwing out what little is left of the Fourth Amendment.
 
I am so tired of hearing this idiotic argument. For the 50007834th time, there is no easy way to tell a radical Islamist from anyone else at a glance. How exactly are we supposed to profile them? Or are we going to require they wear specific insignia on their clothing? Perhaps we could use green crescents. Now, how do we get all perpective bombers to put them on?
 
there is no easy way to tell a radical Islamist from anyone else at a glance.
It's not perfect, but it's better than patting down 80 year old white women in wheelchairs while letting an obviously middle eastern man who is sweating and smells of flower-water through.
 
Thank you, Kurush, I was about to post the same. The profiling fans need to be hit in the head with a rolled-up copy of that paper every time they bring up the subject until they get the picture.
 
"Move along Mr. Achmed and take your backpack with you. You're #4. The little old lady in the wheelchair is #5" :rolleyes:
 
Random searches are a waste of time. You are not going to catch terrorists with random searches in a subway system used by 4 million people a day. If on the extremely rare chance a terrorist is picked for a search, he'll either:

1. Leave and come back 5 minutes later.
2. Leave and go to a different station.
3. Blow himself up in the crowd of people waiting to be searched.

If security is beefed up too heavily on mass transit, terrorists will simply switch targets.

People need to realize that we can not be totally safe from terrorists in a free society. Stuff like this is slowly desensitizing people to violations of their privacy and civil liberties. I pray Americans will wake up and realize that they're just trading one kind of terror for another, before it's too late.
 
Alex45ACP is right

as the Iraqi terrorists show, blowing yourself up while waiting in line causes just as much damage as actually getting to where you "should" blow yourself up.

And if the bomb's purpose is to cause mayhem, then a bomb going off in the crowd will be just as panic-producing as a bomb going off in a tunnel somewhere.
 
Unless you live in Condition White, all of us profile every day. We make some judgement about anybody we see, whether on the sidewalk or in the mall or wherever. We look at style of dress, style of hair, color, body language--and make the judgement as to some amount of danger or no-danger. And, for sure, men do indeed "profile" pretty girls. :D

FWIW, a deputy in Palm Beach County, Florida, profiled northbound "drug smugglers" on I-95. His success rate was 86%. He was forced by court order to stop the profiling...

Art
 
You are absolutely 100% correct. The left would be screaming for profiling in that case.
Agreed.

I'll add there was no mention of profiling when the FBI went after the KKK, or the Italian mafia.
 
The English cops who mistakenly shot that Brazilian kid the other week were profiling (albeit unofficially). Oops.

However, my concern about profiling is that it might go too narrow. We're concerned about adherents to an idea -- and most pro-profilers want us to look at racial characteristics: "Middle Eastern."

That region straddles the three old-world continents. Its population represents all the races of the three continents -- white, black, Indian and Mongoloid. Many Arabs look caucaisan. Indeed, Iranians are caucasians; they aren't Arabs.

Moreover, Islam is a worldwide religion. Many Muslims are black. Many are Asian or Pacific Islander -- there are strong Al Quada presenses in Indonesia and the Phillipines. Who's to say that the next attack from an radical Islamic won't be by some guy who looks like Sulu from Star Trek or be lilly-white Charlie Chechnia?

Yes, stop frisking 90-year-old grannies. That's not only silly, but a waste of resources. But don't go the opposite direction ... too narrow.

Both the pro and anti-profiling sides need to get a clue.

If we're going to profile, we'd better understand what we're looking for. Those who have a stereotypical image of a "Middle Easterner" in mind don't know enough about the threat.
 
If we're going to profile, we'd better understand what we're looking for. Those who have a stereotypical image of a "Middle Easterner" in mind don't know enough about the threat.
Virtually all the attacks come from Arabs with roots in middle eastern theocracies. If you want to expand the suspects to include any Muslim from any predominantly Islamic country, you may find yourself in an untenably provocative situation.
 
It's not perfect, but it's better than patting down 80 year old white women in wheelchairs while letting an obviously middle eastern man who is sweating and smells of flower-water through.
In that case the better place to look is the wheelchair. Can you guarantee me that the nice old lady doesn't have a caretaker that slipped something into her things? Heck, anyone can slip a weapon into a wheelchair's pocket... And if it's an electric wheelchair where one of the batteries was replaced with a chunk of C4 of the same size? The old lady doesn't have to know.

And if sweating is a sure sign of a terrorist, I'm screwed.


Look, the only way to tell if someone is up to no good is by behavior and possibly body language. People can be trained to recognize that. Some folks in LE acquire the skill with experience. Searches based on anything else are definitely unreasonable.

cuchulainn brings up a similar point. If we concentrate on Middle Eastrners, we'll be missing a lot of other people. Croatian Muslims don't look Arab. John Lindh doesn't look Arab. John Allen Muhammad does not look Arab. Hasan Akbar does not look Arab.
 
In that case the better place to look is the wheelchair. Can you guarantee me that the nice old lady doesn't have a caretaker that slipped something into her things? Heck, anyone can slip a weapon into a wheelchair's pocket... And if it's an electric wheelchair where one of the batteries was replaced with a chunk of C4 of the same size? The old lady doesn't have to know.
It's not perfect, so it's useless? Sorry, I don't subscribe to that point of view.

And if old ladies in wheelchairs DO start to explode, then by all means the profile can be expanded to include them.
 
I'm so happy to live in a country that will randomly search my bag!

I can't wait until I live in a country that searches the bags of specific ethnicities!

Now, to be fair, the other significant terrorist attack on our soil in my lifetime involved that McVeigh fellow. So, we should really be profiling Islamic men and young military types. You know, young, white, crew cut, military-style clothing. Actually, now that I think about it, the worst act committed on a train in recent memory was that Ferguson guy, so we'd better also profile for middle-aged black men. Wait, there was also that poison gas attack in Japan that killed all those people on the subway over there. We'd better throw them in, too.

Excellent. We'll have the government search the bags of young Islamic men, military-type white guys, middle-aged black guys, and the Japanese and we'll all be safe on the train.

Man, to think, just fifteen years ago no one hated us and no one wanted to do us harm. Oh well, new times call for new tactics. Thomas Jefferson would be so proud of how adaptable we are!
 
Virtually all the attacks come from Arabs
Wrong. For starters, a goodly number of the attacks have been carried out by Persians (Iranians). Persians are causians, and they look more like Italians or Spaniard than like Arabs.

Frank Sinatra looked as much like an Iranian as he did an Italian. That's right, Frank Sinatra in his younger days looked exactly -- EXACTLY -- the way a radical Islamic terrorist from Iran might look.

The summer wind, came blowing in, from across ... BOOM!

Look, I've got nothing against profiling. Let's do it. But let's not narrow our focus too far.
 
Wrong. For starters, a goodly number of the attacks have been carried out by Persians (Iranians).
Iran is an Islamic theocracy, last time I checked. If you go back to about 1981, when Sadat was assassinated, I think you'll find virtually all Islamic inspired terrorism has roots in the middle east. To split hairs between Persians and Arabs, when Islamofascim is the driving force, is to miss the point entirely.
 
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