bushmaster1313
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What was the first 18.5 inch factory riot gun and when?
When was the first factory 18.5 inch riot gun?
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reckless carolinian
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Winchester '97. Riot config dates to 1898 w/20" barrel. Does this count?
MachIVshooter
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I don't know about exactly 18", but plenty of Win 97's and 12's, Remington 10's/31's, Ithaca 37's and other pump guns were configured with short barrels pretty much since their beginnings.
Dave McCracken
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Short barreled shotguns predate fixed cartridges. The Confederacy was so fond of them thay had a factory in Richmond altering shotguns for the duration of the conflict.
The Burgess was the first common slide action shotgun. It had one variation that folded and had an 18" barrel, IIRC. Time frame, ca 1885.
By that time, coach guns had been guarding coaches for centuries. See old pics of blunderbusses.
The Burgess was the first common slide action shotgun. It had one variation that folded and had an 18" barrel, IIRC. Time frame, ca 1885.
By that time, coach guns had been guarding coaches for centuries. See old pics of blunderbusses.
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The earliest purpose built short barreled shotgun was the blunderbuss, from the mid- 17th century (1650s or so).
For repeaters, the Burgess is the earliest I know of. For actual factory made short guns, the various early factory produced coach guns were even earlier.
http://www.shootingbums.org/hvr/burgess.html
Burgess Shotguns
The Burgess Shotgun used a sliding pistol grip to empty the chamber and pump the cartridge into the chamber, rather than a sliding forearm. Barrel lengths typically were in the 27 inch range for sporting & hunting purposes, though shorter lengths have been observed-mostly these were used by lawmen and or criminals. The weapon enjoyed a brief amount of popularity from 1893 to 1897 before the coming of the Winchester Model 1897 design. One of the weapons unique designs was that some of the shotguns could be folded in half for easy travelling.
Andrew Burgess formed his own company in 1892 and sold out to Winchester in 1899. It was made in Buffalo, NY with patents starting in 1883.
More pics at http://whitney-burgess.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=11
lpl
For repeaters, the Burgess is the earliest I know of. For actual factory made short guns, the various early factory produced coach guns were even earlier.
http://www.shootingbums.org/hvr/burgess.html
Burgess Shotguns
The Burgess Shotgun used a sliding pistol grip to empty the chamber and pump the cartridge into the chamber, rather than a sliding forearm. Barrel lengths typically were in the 27 inch range for sporting & hunting purposes, though shorter lengths have been observed-mostly these were used by lawmen and or criminals. The weapon enjoyed a brief amount of popularity from 1893 to 1897 before the coming of the Winchester Model 1897 design. One of the weapons unique designs was that some of the shotguns could be folded in half for easy travelling.
Andrew Burgess formed his own company in 1892 and sold out to Winchester in 1899. It was made in Buffalo, NY with patents starting in 1883.
More pics at http://whitney-burgess.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=11
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bushmaster1313
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That Burgess is wonderful.
Ignoring its age, when it is folded is it a less than 26" NFA gun?
Ignoring its age, when it is folded is it a less than 26" NFA gun?
reckless carolinian
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That Burgess is cool. I think it may qualify under C&R, perhaps.
JWF III
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Would not matter. It's not shootable in it's folded configuration.
Also, per BATFE rulings (unless something's change with the new admin.), the overall length of a folded stock firearm is done with the stock extended (not folded). Some states measure it folded. But this is state regs, not Federal.
BTW- M1A1 Carbines measure less than 26" with the stock folded. (25" iirc.) That is what got me to looking into it, just out of curiosity (sp?).
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