When will they learn to PUNISH criminals?

[Manedwolf]

I see this sort of thing all the time, but this time local. A criminal does something that indicates that they're the worst sort of sadistic, beyond-help personality, but they get let off with "psychological counseling." Then, a year or less later, they kill someone or do something else horrific. THEN they get punished, finally.
And if they shoot someone, the guns get blamed, not that a dangerous sort was let out instead of being kept off the streets. Or if they shoot and miss someone, they STILL get let out, and only put away when they actually manage to hit their target or an innocent bystander...and the 'evil guns' get blamed.

That'd be the case here after a fashion, once again. A totally sadistic teenager who had multiple counts of animal cruelty for several instances of torturing kittens (!), locking one in the trunk of his car and trying to set one on fire and just showing that he was a really sadistically violent person..had a suspended sentence for "psycological evaluation".

Well, now, a year later, he threw a motolov cocktail at a house and burned it to the ground, an occupant narrowly escaping. Several firefighters had a narrow escape before it collapsed, too, they almost got trapped, and would likely have been killed. NOW he faces justice...and yet only a 7 to 15 year max sentence, which means parole in like...5?

When will they learn to PUNISH criminals instead, especially gun-crime criminals, and leave the tools themselves alone?

Is it just easier to blame the inanimate tools, and not accept the fact that some people are just BAD human beings, a danger to the law-abiding, and beyond cushy feel-good counseling help? That once they are found guilty, mind you, of a real crime that indicates a mindset of violent disregard for life...that they're kept AWAY from the population? The sort who sit in the courtroom with a cold, remorseless, icy expression, or even a smirk...and you just know that someone is going to have to die before they're truly brought to justice.

When will we, as a society, have the guts to ask what's more important, trying to "reform" a violent, sadistic dangerous criminal...or protecting the innocent, the law-abiding, the police and firefighters and other citizens from their violence?

Good of the many over the good of the few, or the one. Or is that not PC anymore?

 

[Oldtimer]

Do you remember Daniel White, who killed the San Francisco Mayor (Mosconi) and a S.F. councilman (Milke)? White got off after his attorneys used what has been called the "Twinkie defense". White had supposedly "over-dosed" on Twinkies before shooting the government officials. For some reason, it didn't MATTER that White had a rock-solid MOTIVE for the killings (he wasn't allowed to return to his government job after having taken a long-time leave-of-absence).

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Bottom line: There are shrewd, deceptive, conniving and despicable LAWYERS available! The ACLU is filled with those low-lifes! And, where do you think that Judges come from? Our nation was founded on laws....but the lawYERS have invaded, en masse, making the laws almost meaningless....if you have enough money! O.J. Simpson had enough money, but Scott Peterson didn't!

(Disclaimer: Not ALL lawyers are rotten to the core....but the DECENT ones are in the minority!)

 

[jagdpanzer347]

As a cat owner myself, that sickens me to the core. If I saw someone doing that, I'd probably be the one in jail. Not to mention everything else this cretin has done.
The liberal side always seems to think these people can be "saved" somehow.
Not much thought seems to go into their potential impact on society. It happens over and over again, oftentimes with tragic results, as in this instance.
Personally, I'd like to see the "Escape from New York" solution to these people. Wall off a large area and let these individuals prey upon each other.
-jagd

 

[CAnnoneer]

Some are beyond help. The rational thing to do is put them out of their and everyone else's misery. But, most people do not want to deal with this harsh side of life anymore, and thus would choose to support the unlimited rehabilitation doctrine, as a form of psychological self-defense. It is not about the perp or its victims, it is about the spiritual comfort of the general populace. Since they feel recidivism is a form of dark lottery, they like their chances, hiding in the sea of other potential victims. In addition, the above doctrine has become a big cash cow for shrinks, social workers, counsellors, lawyers, etc., so all these people do not want it to stop with a single round of 9mm to the head.

 

[Otherguy Overby]

Evil must know it's own

These miscreants rarely target anyone bad. It's almost always only good folks under attack.

With political killings in this country, it's always only the good ones. The bad ones live full successful lives of evil without seeming consequence.

It sure seems there's professional courtesy amongst really evil people.

 

[Standing Wolf]

The liberal side always seems to think these people can be "saved" somehow.

Sort of. They believe criminals can be so-called "saved," but also believe law-abiding American citizens who keep and bear arms are irredeemable criminals at heart.

 

[roo_ster]

Whenever you punish a criminal, god kills a kitten.

So, punishing a man for actual animal cruelty ends up being a wash for kitten-kind.

 

[Waitone]

We gotta get the philosophical thingy of right and wrong squared away. Then we can work on punishment.

 

[frenchwrench]

Make em all nonvoluntary organ donors, at least you're doing something good with the bad....

 

[Ezekiel]

Good of the many over the good of the few, or the one. Or is that not PC anymore?

It's definitely Socialist.

 

[Otherguy Overby]

Well since we can't punish criminals any longer in our PC society, let's give them diversity.

We should lock all our congress critters up with the criminals. A year or to of "biting the pillow" while Bubba enjoys reaming their diversity would do them good.

 

[Web]

I totally agree. There's no question in my mind that there are some people who are simply "evil" in every sense of the word and have no redeeming quality whatsoever. These people need to be permanently dealt with as soon as this "evil" in them is noticed (e.g., one looks in their eyes).

Anyone who blanches from the use of the word "evil" to describe these people is living in a liberal fantasy world, or is just a coward.

 

[perpster]

Caught a snippet of NYC Mayor Bloomberg talking about his gun initiative. He told of a gun that came from outside NY that was used to shoot a cop in Brooklyn. He also said that the gun had found its way into the hands of the shooter who had a long history of arrests before the cop shooting.

Well, here's my comment. If he had been put and kept in jail for any one of those prior crimes, he wouldn't have been on the street to commit the cop shooting, would he have?

I guess it's a lot easier to blame outsiders for the broken criminal justice system in NYC than to face the real problems.