Where do kids learn gun violence from?

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So what happened in the early 1990s (and early 1980s) to increase crime, and what happened in 1993 to turn it around so dramatically. The ecomomy is the usual explanation, but then why not the same rise again in the early 2000s (and other economic slumps)?
 
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Violent media moves the curve toward violence. Do your own research, as I did (Post #41). Googling up some charts with no corollary substance to the subject doesn't prove anything, "genius". Use university students (free labor) and get back to me. Work the fact that not every child may have the mentors you did into the equation.

In the meantime, remember stats relative to the subject lend more credence than a mind numbing chart from the B.O.J. Helps make your efforts more believeable.

I'll conclude my portion of this thread with the 3 points from Post #49.

Take Care and have fun with that Xbox!
 
Work the fact that not every child may have the mentors you did into the equation.

So the rest of us should have our First Amendment right to freedom of expression abrogated because some kid with a propensity for violence and a lack of parental guidance *might* go nuts?

And here I thought we left collective punishment behind in Kindergarten.
 
Violence in games, movies and music went up, violent crime went down. Explain or disprove this, if you cannot, you have no argument.

That is all that needs to be said, "genius".


Let us know when you have the proof we are asking. Thanks.
 
Henry Bowman said:
So what happened in the early 1990s (and early 1980s) to increase crime, and what happened in 1993 to turn it around so dramatically. The ecomomy is the usual explanation, but then why not the same rise again in the early 2000s (and other economic slumps)?


Drugs and the war that has been waged on them by the government. If you outlaw something the blackmarket will start dealing in it and with that comes crime. We saw it during prohibition and we see it with gun control.

If people were really interested in stopping violent crime(or at least put a large dent in it) they would seriously restructure our drug laws.
 
I blame "Blackboard Jungle".
And "Elvis the Pelvis".

:rolleyes:

I also heard that Jack the Ripper enjoyed gangsta rap, and Charles Whitman was addicted to GTA Vice City.


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beaucoup ammo said:
Violent media moves the curve toward violence. Do your own research, as I did (Post #41). Googling up some charts with no corollary substance to the subject doesn't prove anything, "genius". Use university students (free labor) and get back to me. Work the fact that not every child may have the mentors you did into the equation.

In the meantime, remember stats relative to the subject lend more credence than a mind numbing chart from the B.O.J. Helps make your efforts more believeable.

I'll conclude my portion of this thread with the 3 points from Post #49.

Take Care and have fun with that Xbox!

Okay. I get it. Ignore it because you can't explain or disprove it.

I'll say it again: If violent media is responsible for an increased propensity towards violence, and the frequency and realism of violence in media has steadily increased with technology, then explain why crime has gone down for at least 13 years when access to violent media has gone up.

I am a college student, genius. I can do my own research. The BoJ chart clearly shows the decline of violent crime since 1993 and I have included the release dates and shown the availability of some milestones in violent entertainment. You feel the two are related but if what you say is correct, then why do we not witness an increase in violent crime with an increase in violent media? Anwer the question, Einstein. Don't decide to discount it just because it doesn't agree with your theory. Obviously your personal research doesn't amount to much if it is not in line with the facts so while I appreciate your efforts in the area, you are, quite simply, wrong. Violent media, despite its possible influences, is not responsible in any attributal degree for violent behavior in today's youth.

Once again, if children had a different upbringing or lack the moral guidence than I did, then it is lack of parenting and the failure to instill responsibility and maturity in today's youth that is responsible. The extent to which media is responsible for violence, especially in today's youth, is the degree to which media makes us aware of it by obsessing over every school shooting and rampage that goes on. But violent crime, even amount youth, has declined for at least a decade despite the increased access to violent media and your theory can not explain this.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/offagetab.htm
Look at the chart and realize, once again, that the violent crime rate with offenders percieved to be 12 to 17 years of age dropped 69% between 1993 and 2003, compared to 58% for offenders percieved to be 18+ years of age and 60% of unknown age.
 
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Holy ????! I was just reading the Bible, and I noticed that it was full of sword violence and gratuitous sex! No wonder kids are so screwed up these days.

~G. Fink :evil:
 
Lord of the Flies

"Kids;" that is children, and those with child like minds learn violence from experience.

When they are able to inflict harm and pain and even death upon others without risking retaliation, or a strong and likewise painful defensive response, or else are given a passive, intellectual adult intervention, or see with their own eyes that they can get away with it as others do, then they "learn" it.

If they assuredly knew that they, likewise, would have their face punched in, be knocked down too, or that the armed people in the mall would engage them, AK or not, in deadly counter fire, they would then "learn" a lesson.

As old Struther Martin said, "What we have here, is failure to communicate!"

Amen.
 
I was just reading the Bible, and I noticed that it was full of sword violence and gratuitous sex! No wonder kids are so screwed up these days.

Tonight on The Shield: Detective Vic Mackey (Michael Chiklis) intentionally sends Detective Vendrell (Walton Goggins) into a deadly gang war, hoping he will be killed so that Mackey can woo his attractive young wife.
 
As old Struther Martin said, "What we have here, is failure to communicate!"

I prefer what he said in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid: (The scene when Butch and Sundance are payroll guards and they are going down the mountain to get the payroll.)


"Morons !!!! I've got morons on my team !!!!!"
 
If media is not a contributing factor, how can it be that propaganda and advertizing affects people?

Or was Goebbels really wasting Hitler's money and time all along, and the German people were simply "predisposed to Nazism"? Do corporations waste billions of dollars in paid TV advertizing?

Both political propaganda in film form, and audio/visual advertizing have much in common. There are similar elements - on an increasing level and intensity - in much media production peddled as "entertainment".
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LAK said:
If media is not a contributing factor, how can it be that propaganda and advertizing affects people?

Or was Goebbels really wasting Hitler's money and time all along, and the German people were simply "predisposed to Nazism"? Do corporations waste billions of dollars in paid TV advertizing?

Both political propaganda in film form, and audio/visual advertizing have much in common. There are similar elements - on an increasing level and intensity - in much media production peddled as "entertainment".
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Violence in games, movies and music went up, violent crime went down. Explain or disprove this, if you cannot, there is no argument.
 
LAK said:
If media is not a contributing factor, how can it be that propaganda and advertizing affects people?[/url]

The difference is that violent media are almost never sending the message that violence is good. In fact, the opposite message is most often the case—and people whine about that too.

Are we becoming a nation of cowardly pantywaists or of sociopathic super-predators? Which is it this week?

~G. Fink
 
Propaganda works in a very specific way by conveying a message. Just raw violence doesnt actually convey any messages. So unless there is something with violence out there that goes out of its way to teach kids that violence is the best solution and blah blah blah it just doesnt hold water.

Heck, the old A Team would be closer to propaganda. Spraying a full auto weapon at people and never hurting anyone. Man those guys had bad aim.
 
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