Where to mail SBR application?

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In case anyone else is curious, the guy at the ATF told me that it is:

NFA Branch
244 Needy Road
Suite 1250
Martinsburg, WV 25405
 
What does SBR stand for, and what is the procedure like?

i.e. go to DMV and get a form, and get a form from post-office, or gunstore... I know it has something to do with Class III permit.

And how much, and how long will it take for approval.

Thanks
 
I looked high and low on the form; I'm pretty sure it isn't on there. SBR stands for Short Barreled Rifle. $200 approval, and the wait varies. I hear between 1 and 6 months these days.
 
What does SBR stand for
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SBR stands for short-barreled rifle.

what is the procedure like?
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- Fill out your Form 1 and print 2 copies.
- Have 2 passport photos taken.
- Glue a passport photo to each Form 1.
- Get your chief of police or sheriff to sign both Form 1's.
- Have your fingerprints taken on 2 FD-258LE fingerprint cards.
- Fill out and print a Certification of Compliance form.
- Send both Form 1's, both fingerprint cards, the Certification of Compliance form and a check for $200 to BATFE.
- Engrave your name, city and state on the receiver.
- Wait for an approved Form 1 to arrive in the mail.

how long will it take for approval.
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My most recent Form 1 took just under a month mailbox to mailbox.
 
Read the form man. Right under "submit in duplicate" it says:

To: National Firearms Act Branch, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Washington, DC 20226

This probably really isn't the correct address, I'm sure it gets forwarded from DC to either Chicago or WV. Either way you could do a lot worse than do what the form tells you!
 
Form a trust, send in a copy of the trust paperwork with your check and your application.

Dont need to talk to CLEO, dont need prints, photo or anything else.

Turnaround time, a few days.
 
Read the form man. Right under "submit in duplicate" it says:

To: National Firearms Act Branch, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Washington, DC 20226
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Let me know as soon as you can find an address anywhere in the above.

Form a trust, send in a copy of the trust paperwork with your check and your application.

Dont need to talk to CLEO, dont need prints, photo or anything else.

Turnaround time, a few days.
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This is exactly what I did. :) This is my first submission though, so hopefully I didn't screw anything up. I guess I'll know in 1-6 months. If it gets rejected on some technicality, I'm going to be sad.
 
Do you really have to do that?
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Apparantly there are ATF letters out there stating both that you don't have to do it, and that you have to do it. It seems most people think you should do it to be on the safe side.
 
Do you really have to do that?
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Sec. 479.102 How must firearms be identified?

(a) You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must legibly identify the firearm as follows:
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(2) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes:
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(iii) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer or maker;
(iv) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the firearm; and
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27 CFR 479.102
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http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_06/27cfr479_06.html
 
Let me know as soon as you can find an address anywhere in the above.
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That is the address. Nobody said an address had to have a street. I'm guessing that probably the whole ZIP code is just for federal mail. Once a package gets delivered to that ZIP then they just look for which agency the mail is destined for and it gets delivered.
 
That is the address. Nobody said an address had to have a street. I'm guessing that probably the whole ZIP code is just for federal mail. Once a package gets delivered to that ZIP then they just look for which agency the mail is destined for and it gets delivered.
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Correct. The address is:

National Firearms Act Branch
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
Washington, DC 20226

I've successfully sent two Form 1s there. It is a little odd, since the Chicago address for Form 4s does have P.O. box. But hey, this is the federal government we're talking about here.
 
If you send a Form 1 to the DC address they forward it to the WV address.
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No, whether you send it to DC or WV, they forward it first to Chicago for payment processing.

Here's a post from subguns with some good info straight from the horses mouth, an NFA examiner (read down to point 5):

If you call the main NFA phone number - 304-616-4500 - you will get one of our customer service reps. They were hired to ANSWER THE PHONE, and that is one of their only jobs. They take the routine calls - checking status, is it in the system, how long is it taking these days...etc. So, if you call and ONLY speak to them, you are not taking up an examiners time at all. If the customer service reps can not answer the question and/or there is a problem with the application, you are then forwarded to the examiner handling the transfer. This too, is not a real problem, as it probably helps get the issues resolved.

The people who get ahold of the examiners direct phone number, call to find out how to fill out their forms, and have to get walked through the whole process from getting the forms, to explaining what a CLEO sign off is, to where to send the check, are the ones that take up a HUGE amount of time, and do hold up work on other transfers. This, in my opinion, is where the NFA dealers come in to play. If you are purchasing an NFA item through a dealer, and trusting them with many thousands of dollars of your money, then trust that they know how to do the forms - and let them do it. If they don't know how, or you don't trust them, then quit using them and find someone else.

Answering the phone is certainly part of our job, and I have no problem helping out, even with the newbie questions. Teaching people how to go about finding, buying, and/or selling NFA weapons is not. These sorts of calls take up a good portion of the day, and do prevent work from being completed.

Calling me personally, every day, to check the status of your transfer, WILL NOT get your transfer approved any faster. I have caller ID, and will remember you / your phone number...!!! Smile

A few reminders:

1) Your check cashing does not mean the transfer is in the system or approved, it only means that Chicago has received your money and cashed your check. I recommend sending a form of payment that you can track - so you can see when it cashed.

2) It currently takes anywhere from one to three weeks from the time your check cashes for the paperwork to actually make it to the NFA Branch, and get entered in to the system.

3) Calling any time within the first few weeks is just wasting everyones time.

4) With the current turn around times, if you wait at least five weeks before your first phone call, you will probably be pleasantly surprised that you, or your dealer, already have your forms back approved - and you wont have to call at all. This is assuming that you sent the paperwork in legible, complete, and have all the supporting documentation.

5) Form 1s can take up to a couple weeks longer then Form 4s due to coming to the NFA Branch directly - and then being forwared to Chicago for payment processing.

6) Nothing says you can't call everyday and talk to Mary, Cindy, or Tim (our customer service team), but it really isn't helping the work get completed any faster.

Hope that helps some - it was long enough, so it better...!!!

Dan Pinckney.
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Your forms will make it where they need to go. BUT, in the future, send them to WV. Form 1s take longer as it is, sending them to DC only adds to the wait. The only forms that should NOT go directly to WV are Form 4s which go to Chicago.

The forms are being revised to reflect the correct address, but as with most things, it takes awhile.

Dan Pinckney
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http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=17&t=206799
 
That's interesting. I don't see why DC->Chicago->WV would be any slower than WV->Chicago->WV, unless they do DC->WV->Chicago->WV -- remember this is the federal government. Either way it's pretty strange they don't have you send Form 1s directly to Chicago. Of course it's also strange that they don't trust their own employees to handle the money. Anyway, my point is only that you could do a lot worse than follow what's on the form.
 
unless they do DC->WV->Chicago->WV
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I believe you just nailed it. Rumor has it you save a week by sending your Form 1's directly to WV. My last one took just under a month.
 
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