Where to purchase swords?

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Hi.

I'm trying to figure out where I can purchase swords that are NOT of the replica/fantasy/video-game variety. I don't want a fragile showpiece that can't be sharpened. I want at least decent quality live blades (or blades that could be live even if they're not sharpened when bought), either katana or european style.

Anybody know where to find real swords in the modern age?
 
there are tons of places now. try either Kris Cutlery, or Bugei Trading Company. Kris makes both Euro and Asian style blades. i've used their Roman Gladius, and one of their older katanas; both were tough, battle ready blades. Bugei makes higher end katanas, but still very affordable.
 
Welcome to THR.

Plenty of prior discussions on real swords vs. SLO (sword like objects) have taken place at THR. Already mentioned are Cas Hanwei, Kris Cutlery, Bugei Trading Company. Other companies mentioned in previous threads are Cheness, Albion, Angus Trim, Cold Steel, etc.

The cheapest "real" sword is going to be well over $100 and the price quickly multiplies into the $500 range for "production" swords. Custom swords start as low as $500 and go into the thousands for pieces made by recognized masters of the art.

Anything recently manufactured under a sale prices of $200 is probably going be be like this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e77oXjFkIs
 
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I've picked up actual issue military fighting swords for as low as $65 on Ebay.

The best buy on an actual fighting sword is to look for the M1907 Puerto Seguro saber. The people on Ebay never know what they are and just put them up as "spanish sword" or whatever. The M1907 is the sword/saber Patton copied for the US' last sword, the Patton M1913. This class of sword/saber were the last actual fighting swords ever made. Anything made after that are just decorative pieces to hang from an officers belt at dress functions. These are beautiful functional swords with ergonomic grips and made from the finest proofed steel.

Real Puerto Seguro's are marked "Artilleria Nacional" on the hilt. If it just says "Toledo" or anything else, then it's just a decorative fake.

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Museum Replicas Ltd., a division of Atlanta Cutlery, has a nice selection (always changing) of weapon-quality swords. Their offerings usually include a couple of authentic Viking and Medieval European replicas, as well as some oriental and American Civil War swords.
 
"why"

Let's be sure that we know what you mean by "replica". If you mean non-functional replicas of vintage military swords copied from pieces available between 1800 and 1940 you still have to have the knowledge to know whether you're getting a wall hanger copy of the real deal that was carried into combat. I grant that a little study on the internet, or an email to you, could give most folks the knowledge to tell the difference, but that's more effort than most are willing to put forth.

If you're not talking about vintage western military swords made after 1800 you're not likely to find real swords at anywhere near non-functional replica prices. Wall hangers are just cheaper when looking for Asian or pre 1800 western military swords. Swords predating 1700 are even harder to find at accessible prices.

I agree that plenty of people purchase sword like objects to hang on the wall or swish around instead of real vintage swords that were carried into battle during the last half of the 19th and first half of the 20th centuries, but most of them don't know what the difference between them is and they'd rather have stainless or chromed pot metal that they wouldn't have to care for anyway.
 
As for the why of things, personally I prefer to know that when I hear an intruder in my house, I can pick up that cool looking sword I bought if my .357 isn't available for whatever reason. It's better than a rock.
 
Replica means modern copy, of any quality.

Let me give you an example of what is available, just on Ebay. There are four swords below. The second one down is a replica cossack shashka, the other three are real.

The top one is a US Naval Officers sword model 1852 with a proof marked Solingen blade.

The second one down is a good replica of a Cossack Shashka.

Third is a Bavarian cavalry saber circa 1880 - 1890, with proof tested solingen blade.

Fourth is a M1907 Puerto Seguro made for the Spanish army by the Spanish national armory - "Artilleria Nacional".

The most expensive sword is the replica Cossack Shashka which cost me about $200 - but, I wanted one so paid the price.

All of the others cost less than $100 (including shipping). They're all genuine, and you don't need to be an expert to tell the difference. Even a photo of the hilt markings is good enough for anyone to judge 99% of the time. In fact, if the fake is good enough to fool you, then it's worth what you're paying anyway.

My trick is to just search using terms like "old sword" or "antique sword" etc, because that indicates the seller doesn't know what he has. I check out the pictures, then go on the Internet and find out what it is before bidding, and I only bid in the last few seconds of an auction. I rarely pay more than $100 for a sword.

The best buys are often Puerto Seguro's, which are just great fighting swords! But, there are so many cheap "Toledo" replica swords around that these swords get lumped in with those and nobody bids.

Anyway - good hunting. Real fighting swords with historical significance are out there if you want to hunt them down.

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does anybody, here, remember the Home Shopping Network episode where homeboy took a "hanger" and (in an attempt to show it's strength) whacked it, spine first, on the table? if not, well, the freakin blade snapped in two. the top half flipped back and struck him in the stomach and you hear someone call for a medic.

i know everyone has different budgets, but if you (meaning anybody, not just the OP) can not afford a REAL sword, buy a BAT. a crappy replica (if put to use) is as dangerous to you as it is your intended target :(

i carry a Swamp Rat Waki. i have complete faith in this piece of equipment and there is NO buyer remorse ($440 + shipping). the ONLY other sword for me would be a custom Justin Gingrich. i have faith in his abilities to produce useable long blades. i was talking with Justin, before i bought the Waki, about making me one and his quote was actually an easy pill to swallow. if you wanna go the custom route, but want something you can really "take care of business" with, hit him up [email protected] really good guy. if fact, as much as i love (and use) my Waki, part of me wishes i would've had him build me one.
 
i know everyone has different budgets, but if you (meaning anybody, not just the OP) can not afford a REAL sword, buy a BAT. a crappy replica (if put to use) is as dangerous to you as it is your intended target

I'm not following you. Real swords are cheaper than even crappy replicas, and far cheaper than good replicas. Or at least, they are if you shop smart.

Look - here are two M1907's for sale at $75 and $120. If you were to buy one of these you'd be amazed at the craftsmanship and quality of the steel. Neither of the sellers have a clue what they actually have - M1907's made by Artilleria Nacional. One of the finest swords ever made.

It took me less than two minutes to find these on Ebay. I've already got 3 M1907's, so I won't be bidding. If you wait until the last moment and toss in a reasonable bid they can be yours. You'll be happy you did.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Nice-Spanish-Cavalry-Sword-Emblem-1900s-/170490259213?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27b202e70d

http://cgi.ebay.com/Spanish-Artilleria-Sword-/110537729628?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19bc8fe65c
 
KB,

I've been agreeing with you that vintage 18th and 19th century western military swords usually sell for less than "replicas". Why anyone would want to purchase a replica over one of these available real swords made to be used on the battle field escapes me.

OTOH, when you get outside of that 18-19 C genre is where getting the real "real thing" isn't cheaper. Many times it isn't even readily available. Then the prices jump way up for a real katana or a real crusader.

I personally don't want a wall hanger or SLO or shiny piece of junk. If it isn't a fully functional blade you won't find it on my property. Since I can't always afford a 16th C wakizashi (yes, I have a real one) or a side sword (no, not yet) I will spend the money of a fully functional modern produced one as close to the historical ones as possible instead of competing with museums and wealthy private collectors.
 
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I've never even held a genuine Tamahagane Katana! Yeah, you're not going to find an authentic one on Ebay, but if you look hard and smart you can snap up 19th century western swords from people who just don't know what they have. I don't feel guilty about that - ten minutes on google will usually ID an unknown blade and if they can't be bothered to take that much trouble, then too bad for them.
 
There's nothing special about a sword made with tamahagane. It's certainly no stronger than a sword made with modern steel. It's a tradition thing. A sword made from tamahagane is more appealing to a collector who wants a true Japanese sword. However, there are katanas being made today with tamahagane in China and the US. And yes, you can find katanas made with tamahagane on eBay.

For the OP, if you're looking for inexpensive, live blades, check out Sword Buyer's Guide. They review swords that cost around $300 or less. It covers both Asian and European swords and tells you where to buy them for the best price.
 
I prefer to know that when I hear an intruder in my house, I can pick up that cool looking sword I bought if my .357 isn't available for whatever reason. It's better than a rock.

A good sword is much better than a rock. And today's buyer is in luck - at no time in history have we ever had such an excellent selection of quality, battle-ready swords available at reasonable cost. Hanwei Forge is crafting some superb blades in the $100-$300 range, and while a bit heavy, Cold Steel swords are extremely practical and reliable. I haven't handled any Kris blades but they look to be good quality, too.

But in addition to acquiring a serviceable sword, one should know what to do with it. I personally wouldn't buy a sword without having a solid base of fencing skills under my belt. (Here, "fencing" is a generic term meaning combat training in the type of blade selected.)
 
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