Where Would We Go?

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If you wait a few more years, Mexico will be a gigantic VACANT LOT! All Mexicans will be in Estados Unitas...re-named Norte Mexico...and will be pleased as punch as permanent "guest workers" and "guest welfare recipients"!

Costa Rica USED TO BE a viable place to live, but there is a LOT of racial animosity there AND the country has become infested with drug dealers (Cartel-types).

Personally, there is NO place like home, and that's right here in the former "Good" old US of A! We just need to make a clean election "sweep" of all the elected politicians, and get some GOOD people in office! It's high time to get back to the basics instead of "political correctness". Tolerance is a necessity, but not the "bend over backwards" type of appeasement tolerance! I, for one, would like to see the "Homeland Security" branch cut DRASTICALLY, but bolstered by "Home Guard" citizens, such as the "Minutemen"!

Remember WW-II? England had a "Home Guard" force, comprised of armed citizens. Prime Minister Churchill did NOT call those concerned citizens "vigilante's"!
 
Speak, vote, take up arms.

Though my family has only been here for 4 generations this is my home.
No sooner will someone chase my out of my brick and mortar house than off
this landscape. I'll fight for change with my voice, pen, keyboard, and any
other means needed. To me, there is no other place to go, leaving is not an
option, this is my home. I was born here and I'll be buried here.
 
I would never leave the united state's. I would fight for my right's at the ballot box, so that A situation like this would never come to be.
 
While you say the military would just walk over a community, remember that many of us took an oath :

I, _______, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

Been the same since 11 July 1868. I support and defend the CONSTITUTION not politicians. Given orders to the contrary, it is my DUTY to disobey those orders. And I will, if need be.
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The National Guard soldiers in New Orleans also took this oath.:cuss:
 
The same for anywhere else. If they've got dentistry then they've got immigration laws and aren't interested in our sorry whiny a$$es coming to their country without the means to support ourselves.
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One exception. Israel.
If you are willing to do the Ulpan they will absorb you.
Nice beaches, beautiful women, lots of guns, great neighbors.
 
I suppose we could all move to Wyoming and secede
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how bout y'all come to Dixie and secede.
we almost did it last time
cept this time we can include most of the Midwest,the western states.
and south pennslyvania can join us too.
and Alaska

but if i had to go to another country id go to Switzerland. yes i am part Swiss, and yes i could have a job lined up from myself there.
 
With any luck, this discussion will stay theoretical, but if in a few years it becomes a practical matter....

I got 840 rounds of Q3131 sealed in cans, 6 mags loaded with Q3131, and 9 mags loaded with BH 68gr match. I'm working on slowly building this stash as times goes on. Also, I have no spouse or kids, so I am more then willing to fight for my rights if it comes to that.
 
Stay and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, as I have sworn several times to do. Let the others flee.


I don't say this with bluster, bravado, or hubris. I just state it as fact (since you asked).
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Agreed wholeheartedly.

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Sums up my feelings.
 
To those who think that LEO and Military would not participate in a national violation of 2A, I point to NYC, Washington DC and the previously mentioned New Orleans as evidence that most would obey their orders.
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Actually, MOST of those attempting to disarm the justifiably and correctly armed folks of that town were members of the CHP...and when they met direct refusal (as they did on camera from a local lawyer), they departed with only the guns they brought with them.

My newphew, a fighter pilot stationed in NOLA contacted his CO about returning to salvage as many of his belongings as possible, and was immediately asked if he were "packing". He promptly responded "Yes Sir", and then was told "Good. Otherwise I'd deny permission."

The people of NYC and Washington D.C. (both LE and non-LE) have been programmed for generations to accept this kind of bovine excretia. The rest of the country hasn't necessarily been brainwashed to such a degree.
 
Sorry to break in on the chest-thumping

Reality is harsh, unfortunately.

Could you shoot your neighbor dead?
In cold blood, face to face, from ten feet away, in broad daylight?

If yes, congratulations, you have what it takes to be a revolutionary.

I certainly couldn't shoot the chief of police of my local town dead, as he's my neighbor and we're on friendly waving terms. Yet, in a revolutionary situation, who's to say what side he would be on? What side would my anti-gun relatives be on? Would I be able to shoot them too if they tried to sell me out?
Yell 'Molon Labe!' all you like, but what happens when they cordon off your house and post snipers? Will you sacrifice your wife and children for freedom? Will you look them in the eyes and say, 'We are all going to die today, because it is right', and mean it? Sacrificing your own life is hard enough, could you sacrifice all you love, and ostensibly are fighting for?

Killing is not as simple as spouting hot-blooded rhetoric, as those of you who have served in actual battle know. Thank God, I have not, and have no wish to ever raise my hand against another person.

This isn't a thread about how much bluster we can manage, it's about where we could possibly escape to when the federal government's fist has finally crushed freedom.
If the military does not do their duty and arrest the congress and president, that's that. It's over, and there's nothing we can do about it. Period. Resistance will lead only to death, and the destruction of your family, because they did not quell your rebellion before it got out of hand.
There has to be a plan B, because plan A depends upon humanity's capacity to transcend its own shortsighted nature and do what's right because it's right. Those who can do so are vanishingly rare today.


Israel has been mentioned. It's a good possibility, but Israel as a nation of ethnic Jews will cease to exist within one or two generations. Their birth rate is typical of modernized nations, below replacement, and immigration from surrounding arab countries comprises a good portion of their population growth (sound familiar?). There may be a country named 'Israel' in the future, but it will not remain an ethnic/religious Jewish nation for long.

Most European nations are writeoffs, for obvious reasons. The Scandinavian countries may be a good place to start looking.

Brazil is a good possibility, as are some other South American countries. Firearms rights are still respected in many of these, and the standard of living is rising rapidly.

Oddly enough, I believe our best choices lie in former Eastern Bloc nations such as Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia, and possibly Russia as well. These countries are recovering strongly from the Communist era, and their peoples still remember the crushing fist of totalitarian rule. While Russia is sliding backward under Putin somewhat, the overall push is toward freedom and prosperity.

India may also be a good choice, but I don't know what the firearms freedom index looks like there.
 
Where would we be without the ability to let our minds wander? And Where Would We Go if our emotions were submerged down under our souls? Their master control plan will fail, as the young minds prevail, in pure genetic wisdom!
 
Not trying to be Tuffy-Thunderballs

I got a little sidetracked on my first post, beg your pardon.
To address the posed question,
Pretty much if the US becomes unlivable, where would freedom loving people go?
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Any place neccessary to further the goal of unseating said oppressors.

This is my home and country. I will fight alongside my freedom-loving neighbors.
 
Thefabulousfink said:
Of course I would be more inclinded to stay and fight for our rights, but the exercise I was hoping to spark was:

What countries have a level of freedom on par with ours that you would consider moving to?

Edit: I assume everyone here would rather stay and fight so (for discussion only) lets drop that option.
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You can't drop that option. There is no other country offering, as you expressed it, "a level of freedom on par with ours." Period. The country that a few years ago was probably most like the U.S. in many ways was Australia, but Oz has now gone completely overboard regarding firearms paranoia. The only option left would be for a group of the freedom-loving states to secede, and reestablish the Constitution as the law of (that part of) the land.
 
You don't go anywhere. It's your country. You work to take it back. Even if it's only for your children or grandchildren.

But, I think your fears are ungrounded. The radical libs aren't *that* powerful. The Constitution can be amended only with approval of 2/3 of the states. Keep in mind, in the last election, there were more red states than blue states. And, there aren't anywhere as many senators who would allow US sovereignty to be ceded to the United Nations.

K
 
Kentac said:
But, I think your fears are ungrounded. The radical libs aren't *that* powerful. The Constitution can be amended only with approval of 2/3 of the states. Keep in mind, in the last election, there were more red states than blue states. And, there aren't anywhere as many senators who would allow US sovereignty to be ceded to the United Nations.
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What you're missing is the U.N. and the method by which a Hilary could do an end run around the Constitution. By signing onto a U.N. resolution banning guns in all signatory countries and calling it an "agreement" rather than a "treaty," she would not require a 2/3 majority to make it (quasi) legal. I think that's a major concern these days.

And remember, this is the spouse of the guy who argued that "It depends on what the definition of 'is' is." Yeah, we know a treaty when we see one, but if it suits her purpose to call it kitchen towels, that's what it'll be.
 
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I didn't know where to post this so I'll do it here. I apologize to Justin for having to edit my post in "Where Would We Go". I try to be good most of the time. Must of had a slip of the tounge. Or finger. Or whatever! Thanks!
 
I, BigFatKen, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
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I took this oath. 17 July 1967. I do not recall being released from it.

It only takes one leader to step forward. In "The Siege", General Bruce Willis has legal command. FBI leader Denzel Washington has the moral high ground. Denzel Washington asks "will the General make murderers out of his men? Would a real General order his men with armor and M-16s to fire on civilians?

Hillary would order the soldiers to mow down the FBI that would over throw her. It would be the "Bloody Sunday", "Boston Massacre" or "Remember New Orleans".

Whether it be John Conner or "The Postman", someone will do it.

If there is no one else better qualified, I will do it!

(My usual sig not displayed due to reverence for subject.)
 
bigfatken said:
It only takes one leader to step forward. In "The Siege", General Bruce Willis has legal command. FBI leader Denzel Washington has the moral high ground. Denzel Washington asks "will the General make murderers out of his men? Would a real General order his men with armor and M-16s to fire on civilians?
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never underestimate the loyalty of marines to their CO. If that CO is worthy of it, those marines WILL follow him to hell and back......twice, just because.
 
Hawkmoon--

Yes, I understand that scenario. But, saying it's within the realm of possibility, and saying it's politically feasible are two different things. I think the firestorm of opposition, even within her own party, would preclude her trying this. That's *my* sense of the political climate. Others may have another view.

K
 
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