Where'd my fav 45 acp ammo go?

[HighVelocity]

It's been a few years since I've purchased any 45 acp defensive ammo and I cannot find the original Speer 200gr Lawman "flying ashtray" bullets anywhere. Not just the bullet itself, the factory loaded ammo is what I am looking for.

Anyone know of a good source?

Thanks,
Gary

 

[stans]

I think CCI Speer may have dropped this load once the Gold Dot line penetrated the market.

 

[HighVelocity]

I sent an email to Speer/CCI and got my answer this morning.

Gary,
CCI/Speer does not manufacture the flying ashtray 45 cal. bullet anymore, we
discontinued it a few years ago. You will not find it in loaded ammo or as
a component bullet.

The Speer 'Lawman' line of ammunition is now made entirely made up of TMJ
ammunition. The Speer 'Gold Dot' ammo line is the focus for our Hollow
Point ammo these days. You may want to give them a try. Thanks for your
inquiry. Linda

Linda Olin
CCI/Speer Technical Services Technician

I guess sales must have tanked. This bullet had an awesome record and I am stunned and saddened that it's been dropped from the Speer Line.
Gold Dot may technically be better but The Flying Ashtray had earned my faith and confidence.
So Speer/CCI has lost me as a customer as far as 45 acp ammo goes.
It'll be Hydra-Shok from now on.

 

[mete]

Get with the times . Originally the 200 Speer was a round nosed configuration with very small hollow point .It would expand only on a rock. Then they went to the flying ashtray but with scored jacket which would expand on anything and often would not exit a woodchuck.Then they removed the scoring. But that bullet always had feeding problems with many guns ...Since then bullets have been designed to conform to the FBI criteria for penetration and expansion.There's no use crying about the flying ashtray .Newer bullets are better.

 

[Lennyjoe]

Now for a lighter answer.

Take a look at the Speer 200gr +P ammo available on the open market. It feeds great in my Kimber Pro Carry and Taurus 24/7. Velocity is good out of the 4" barrel and the performance of the Gold Dot bullet is top notch.

 

[Black Snowman]

If you want factory ammo you can have faith in then I wouldn't pass up a good look at the flying ashtray's superior successor. It has an excellent street record as well as excellent perfomance in lab tests.

There's a reason the flying ashtrays aren't in production, they came up with a better mousetrap. The flying ashtrays did cut nice holes in paper though. The Sierra SportsMaster is the closest thing available now, but isn't really developed for defensive use.

 

[alex-v.]

The flying ashtrays did cut nice holes in paper though.

I know a couple of guys who have several 100 of the bullets left which they will be loading up for bowling pin competitions. And, they treat these bullets like they were made out of gold. No more will they sell off any or even use them for practice.

 

[moxie]

Agree with others that the GD bullets are better.

But, the flying ashtrays still are real good and you see them at gun shows. I'd cruise the shows and see what turns up. Sometimes a vendor who doesn't have something knows who does. Ask around at the shows.