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Which .222 Rem?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Scrumbag, Mar 14, 2013.

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  1. Scrumbag

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    Hello folks am in the market for a CF .22 and thinking a .222 Remington.

    Any suggestions on make and model?

    Thanks in advance,

    Scrummy

    (PS Can't do 223 due to military round restrictions)
     
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  2. bluekouki86

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    I've got an old Remington 700 in .222 Remington Magnum. It is a fine rifle although the caliber is dead and gone.
     
  3. kyhunter

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    .222 remington although not as powerful. much easier to find ammo for than the .222 rem mag
     
  4. WoodchuckAssassin

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    Dead and gone? I don't accept that! I just shot one this past weekend - an old Winchester M70 bull-barrel - and it was easy to pickup a box at the local gun shop.

    So I guess my money would go on the Winchester m70, since that's the only .222 I've ever shot.
     
  5. meanmrmustard

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    What about 22-250?

    I like this chambering, probably in a Tikka T3.
     
  6. Scrumbag

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    "What about 22-250?

    I like this chambering, probably in a Tikka T3. "

    I thought about the .22-250 but ammo seems to be expensive and I'm thinking about starting reloadind & I understand .222 Rem is one of the easiest to reload.

    Also, is the the .22-250 a bit of a barrel burner?

    ATB,

    Scrummy
     
  7. Hopkins

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    The .222 Remington is easily one of the most inherently accurate factory loaded 22 caliber rounds available. It's very easy to reload for and you will be spoiled by its performance. It is not popular in the U.S. because of the obsession with the .223. It's very difficult to find and purchase used .222's in the U.S. because they bring premium and their owners hang on to them. I'm not aware of any chamberings of the round by a U.S. manufacturer in quite a few years. I suspect they are more readily available in European markets.
    As an additional benefit, the round is significantly quieter than 22-250 or higher velocity .22's
     
  8. Scrumbag

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    Ah that explains why I can only find new rifles in .222 Rem. from CZ

    (Looked at Ruger, Browning & Winchester and was surprised no .222Rem rifles).

    In some parts of Europe (France & Italy inparticular) you can't own military calibres hence perhaps why the Europeans have larger markets for .222 rather than .223.

    ATB,

    Scrummy
     
  9. Hopkins

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    After owning a gun store some years ago I came to the conclusion that the U.S. market for precision marksmanship is very small. The market is about sound and fury. The .222 is like the .22 Hornet in this country. It has a small following because of its performance. The .222 is far superior to the Hornet and was very popular with U.S. bench rest shooters until its accuracy performance was surpassed by the .22PPC.
    The development of the cartridge is credited to Mike Walker of Remington who sadly passed away last week.
     
  10. Lj1941

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    222 Remington

    The 222 Remington is an excellent cartridge that has all of the good things going for it that the 223 has except it has a little less powder capacity and is not as readily availible as the 223 ,at least here in the USA. I am surprised that in your country the 223 is forbidden.I thought that silly regulations were only in effect here in the USA.:)
     
  11. Scrumbag

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    "The 222 Remington is an excellent cartridge that has all of the good things going for it that the 223 has except it has a little less powder capacity and is not as readily availible as the 223 ,at least here in the USA. I am surprised that in your country the 223 is forbidden.I thought that silly regulations were only in effect here in the USA"

    I'm in Switzerland and we don't really have very restrictive gun laws (I'm from the UK, believe me I know about those...) The non-military chamberings really comes from France (which I'm 5k from the border of). Basically, if I have non-mil chamberings, life is relatively simple. Military rounds are a lot more beauracracy and you can't hunt with them... So .222 makes a lot of sense from a "hassle" point of view even if not as common as .223 today.

    ATB,

    Scrummy
     
  12. Jim Watson

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    I don't know the current availability even in Europe, but another cartridge in the same family is the 5.6x50 (and 5.6x50R for break actions.) It is a close relation to the .222 Remington Magnum.

    I read that it came about because every gunsmith was grinding his own .222 Magnum reamer and all were a bit different, which led to troubles with headspace control, etc. So RWS standardized the 5.6x50 to get it under DIN specifications.
     
  13. EmbarkChief

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    I have an old Remington bolt gun in .222 w/ a Weaver 4x that was passed down from my grandfather. It has become one of my favorite rifles for small game, precision plinking, and training new shooters. Ammo is surprisingly easy to find, however I haven't looked for any in a year or two.
     
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    .222 in Remington model 788....hard to beat.
     
  15. Skyshot

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    Any .222 should be a tack driver. Even my little sporter barrel CZ527 will shoot sub MOA with anything run through it.
     
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    22-250 is no harder to reload, and is much more potent. My shooting buddy has many rounds through his precision M700, and several South Dakota prarie dog hunts under his belt with that gun. Still going strong, still sub MOA.

    $13 a box of 20 isn't expensive, and PPU brass is supposedly top notch.
     
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    sako 85 varmint

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  18. ole farmerbuck

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    I bought a new Savage last year. I think it's a model 25. Havent shot it much but I have a feeling it's gonna be a shooter.
    222Savagejpg.jpg
     
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    What Tex says. I have a Rem 788 in .222 that is a tack driver. Also had a Rem 722 in the same caliber that while a good shooter wasn't as tight out to 300+ yards. I really like the little cartridge.
     
  20. VancMike

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    I bought an older Savage Mdl 24 (combo 222 Rem/20 gauge) last year, fully intending to re-chamber the 222 into .223 (mostly since I already have a couple of those). It's an easy job....just ream it out from 1.700"/43.2mm to 1.76"/45mm.

    But even with open sights, the .222 barrel is spooky accurate, and since the barrel has 1-14" twist, I'd probably be restricted to 35-50 gr. bullets anyway. So I bought a set of Lee triple-deuce dies, a couple of hundred brass, and, with the plethora of 35-50 gr. bullets I already have for my .223s, I'm set (incidentally, despite the Obama-panic in the US, one can still buy all the 222 brass one needs at Midway and Cabela's). I've not fired any 35 gr. bullets yet, but 45 & 50 gr. bullets will group as well as my eyes and buckhorn sights will allow. My best is .85" @ 50 yds.

    Don't know if you're looking for a combo gun, but if you can find one, the Mdl 24 is an idea. Yeah, it's pretty crude when compared to those fine German drillings, putting a scope on it sort of negates the use of the shotgun, but it's been a throw-it-behind-the-pickup-seat-in-case-you-see-a-varmint-or-pheasant gun for several generations of rural Americans.

    Having said that.....I'd get that way-cool CZ in the Mannlicher stock in a heartbeat. I don't like that Euro-droop stock......but, hey, you're in Europe.....
     
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    Not as long as brass can be had. :)

    http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=153318&stc=1&d=1322147543

    The .222 Mag is the ballistic equivalent of the .223 as far as factory loads go, but can eclipse the .223 if you handload, with about 5% more case capacity, assuming you load it to .223 pressures.
     
  23. Scrumbag

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    Thanks for the info folks, keep 'em coming.

    Scrummy
     
  24. eastbank

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    .222 cases are easy to get,i bought 500 some time ago from graf. here is my .222 remington 722 along with its bigger brother a 721 in 30-06, the 722 is on the bottom. both early guns in ex condition. the 722 and 721 remingtons started alot of rifle men on the way due to their low cost,but they were a better value than their cost reflected. eastbank.
     

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  25. bluekouki86

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    Nice rifle Walkalong!

    I am buying brass as I come across it, this rifle is the reason I have a Hornaday lock'n'load press on the way to my house. Looking forward to trying it out.
     
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