Which 7.62x39mm cartridges do you want to see tested in ballistic gelatin?

[351 WINCHESTER]

JE223, It's too dry to shoot tracers, you must have something else up your sleeve.

 

[Brass Fetcher]

Many thanks to krochus for buying the ammo for this test. Donations are still welcome, of course!

If anyone can get me the >green< tracers, come hell or high water, I will shoot them into gelatin.

@351W... I've got enough sandbags to put behind the block, that that shouldn't be a problem...

 

[Oohrah]

Hear so many myths about this caliber! Pretty tired of hearing
comparison to 30/30 when the only comparison to it is the velocity
of the 125 gr falls below the heaviest common (170) A 150 to 154
would be a true test if this cartridge should have serious consideration
for game.

 

[R.W.Dale]

I'm really sick of people who actually believe the manufacturer ballistics for 30-30 are correct and have no idea whatsoever what the term Ballistic Coefficient means and yet are experts on ammunition preformance.

30-30 velocities per barrel length
Ammo Weight 20"bbl 14"bbl

Remington
Express 170 2012 1947

Hornady
Evolution 160 2287 2167

Federal
Fusion 150 2313 2202

PMC
Bronze 150 2211 2156

Winchester
Power Point 150 2234 2134

7.62x39
154grn Wolf 154 2200FPS from my 18" barrel
123grn Barnaul SP 2545FPS!!!!! from my 18" barreled CZ

 

[Gewehr98]

Well said, Krochus!

My whitetail deer dropped quite quickly after getting hit with a 123gr Winchester softpoint last fall. I handload for my AKs, and they chronograph just a hair over 2450fps using Accurate Arms 1680. So I am more than qualified to compare the round with the venerable .30-30 Winchester, which, as you revealed, ain't all that.

Everybody's a ballistician, don't ya know...

 

[R.W.Dale]

I handload for my AKs, and they chronograph just a hair over 2450fps using Accurate Arms 1680.

I probably use the same load you do, The velocity is the same anyhow. Only I use the Nosler 125grn ballistic tip. Using this rather slippery bullet makes for a surprisingly flat trajectory.

 

[Brass Fetcher]

Update :

The 154gr Wolf JSP ammo has just been ordered - look for the test to appear within the next 2 weeks.... I've had a hell of a time getting this ammo - I hope it is more easily available for everyone in the near future.

 

[Bigfoot]

Nice JE223, I look forward to that test.

And here's that ATTABOY which you deserve for sharing this info with us.

 

[The_Antibubba]

Why settle for gelatin? Now that all the history and records from the KGB are available for sale, you could find out the terminal ballistics on the actual intended targets! I'm sure they have pictures and film clips, too. Of course, it might not be an accurate reflection on a modern target since most dissidents carried virtually no body fat, unlike most Americans.

 

[john paul]

i've got wolf standard black box 122 gr. hp that i would gladly donate if you would like. just give me the shipping info!

 

[cheygriz]

You left out the most inportant. 124 grain ball.

 

[Brass Fetcher]

@john paul - I've actually been discussing testing this cartridge with another THR member. They still haven't gotten back to me, so this test is waiting on them.

 

[Davo]

Hows about wolf fmj?

 

[Brass Fetcher]

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