Which CZ?

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Mr.Lucky

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I am nearly ready to buy a 9mm pistol. I have decided to buy a CZ. I keep reading so many good things about each of my possible choices: P-01, 75 B, and SP-01. The P-01, and even the SP-01, seem to fit my hand a little better than the 75B, at least in DA.

I plan to use the gun for some target shooting and home defense.

I have read on several forums where a number of people have expressed opinions that the Aluminum Alloy frames on guns would rank lower than even the polymer/plastic guns. These opinions were about aluminum alloy guns in general not specific to CZs and I really like the P-01. Does anyone have thoughts on the Aluminum frame of the P-01?

I have not shot any of these guns because I have not found any available for rent. Does anyone know of a shooting range in Texas Gulf Coast area, specifically around Houston, that rents CZs?

If you could have only one of these pistols which would you choose, and why?

Thanks for the information and opinions.......
 
CZ's are great pistols, and internet talk is cheap. Read past posts on here and the other forums you've posted on and you'll see what people think of CZ.
Be safe.
 
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If you plan on doing mostly target shooting, and some HD stuff (bedside gun), than you want a fullsize steel framed gun
Plain Jain 75B (9 or 40)
SP01
75B SA
Would be your best choices because
-They have mass which makes them pleasant to shoot
-Longer sight radius is better for target work.

The only reason you should consider any of the lightweight compacts is for concealed carry.

The ergonomics of a 75B and an SP01 are different. I like both very much. Pick one! It's hard to go wrong with a classic 75B.
 
I can only tell you about my fairly new CZ 75 Compact. I simply love this 9mm. All steel, satin nickle and no problem so far with different brands and types of ammo. I would have gotten the poly coat only could not find one around here.
 
Only One Step Ahead of You!

I had to do a double-take when I saw this post just to make sure I had not posted this question in my sleep! I am in the same boat but have decided to go with the 75B for the VERY reasons atblis stated:

-They have mass which makes them pleasant to shoot
-Longer sight radius is better for target work.

I also like the availability of the 22 conversion!

I agree, it is a hard choice. If I decide to go concealed carry I will then purchase a P-01 for that purpose. My purpose now is the same as yours, target and home defense.

Nice to see I was not the only one facing these choices. As a result of my choice I purchased two permits just in case I go CCW. Good luck and let us know what you decide.
 
Aluminum frames are only really somewhat of a concern if you're planning on doing a lot of shooting - for plinking, home defense and concealed carry, aluminum is fine.

What it's not good for is extended shooting - thousands of rounds downrange every year, because aluminum will wear out quicker than steel.

Also, for home defense and plinking, the physical size and weight of the handgun isn't really relevant - but it is if you're planning on walking around with it concealed.

So, for every day carry, home defense and occasional plinking - the P01.

For home defense, lots of pinking or competition and not very much carry (unless you can work around the size/weight issue) - the CZ75 (and I've owned 3 or 4 of these) ;)

Edit: I see you mentioned that one fits you nicely in DA - but bear in mind that double-action is only relevant for the first shot (if at all) - every one after that will be single-action on those two models.

If you decide that you do want to shoot the first shot DA, then the P01 would be safer as it has a decocker - on the 75, you'd have to lower the hammer manually by 1. holding the hammer, 2. pulling the trigger and 3. easing the hammer forward slowly under complete control - not the safest thing to do, especially for someone new to firearms.
 
Have you seen the CZ P-01 press release?

I don't think you should be so quick to make conclusions about a gun just because its an alloy construction. Here's the CZ press release about the NATO testing:


The P-01 is now a NATO classified pistol and issued the NATO stock number NSN 1005-16-000-8619.

The CZ P-01 is the culmination of several years of exhaustive design and testing. Ceska Zbrojovka has always had some of the most rigorous testing requirements in the world but, the Czech National police has required that they go even further, the testing regiment for this new pistol was the most demanding anyone has ever encountered. There are almost 20 specific requirements covering everything from accuracy to interchangability, from safety to reliability/durability and everything in between.

The pistol: The CZ P-01 is a Gen 3 pistol that began as a requirement for a lightweight compact pistol that will deliver the accuracy and durability of a full size, full weight pistol. This was no small task, several manufacturers declined to even start the project.

The first thing you notice about this pistol is the M3 light rail on the frame, a first for CZ, the alloy frame is a little wider at the top than a steel CZ 75. This adds strength and rigidity for mounting the light and increasing the accuracy and service life of the pistol. The P-01 also sports enhanced controls as well as a drop free magazine and a lanyard loop.

The pistol was required to pass a wide variety of tests:

The police required that the pistol ensure the highest level of comfort, an extended slide release was added as well as an extended magazine release and the trigger was reshaped to give a more consistent pull throughout the trigger stroke.

The pistol must be 100% reliable in extreme conditions, the following is a list of some of the minimum requirements.

Must be able to complete the following without failure:

4000 dry firings
3000 De-cockings
Operator level disassembly 1350 times with out ware or damage to components.
Complete disassembly 150 times, this is all the way down, pins, springs etc.
100% interchangability, any number of pistols randomly selected, disassembled, parts mixed and reassembled with no failures of any kind including loss of accuracy.


Safety requirements:

Drop test
1.5 meter (4.9”) drop test, this is done 54 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked. Dropping the pistol on the butt, the muzzle, back of the slide, sides of the gun, top of the slide, in essence, any angle that you could drop the gun from. This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.

3meter drop (9.8”) 5 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked, This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.

After these tests are complete the gun must fire without service.

The factory contracted an independent lab to do additional testing on guns that previously passed the drop tests. These pistol were dropped an additional 352 times without failure.

The pistol must also complete an environmental conditions test:
This means cold, heat, dust/sand and mud.
The pistol must fire after being frozen for 24 hours at –35C (-36F).
The pistol must fire after being heated for 24 hours at 70C (126F)
The pistol must fire after being submerged in mud, sand and combinations including being stripped of oil then completing the sand and mud tests again.

Service life:
The service life requirement from the Czech police was 15,000 rounds of +P ammo!
The pistol will exceed 30,000 rounds with ball 9mm.

Reliability:
The reliability requirements for the P-01 pistol are 99.8%, that’s a .2% failure rate.
This equals 20 stoppages in 10,000 rounds or 500 “Mean Rounds Between Failure” (MRBF)
During testing, the average number of stoppages was only 7 per 15,000 rounds fired, this is a .05% failure rate, a MRBF rate of 2142 rounds! Over 4 time the minimum acceptable requirement.
The U.S. Army MRBF requirement is 495 rounds for 9mm pistols with 115 grain Ball ammunition.
 
The P-01 is an excellent choice for concealed carry -- small enough to work for that, big enough to fuction as a service pistol and perform well on the range.

If you're not concerned about concealed carry, though, the SP-01 is a tremendous gun, especially for the price. I'd say go with the Tactical model (or the standard if you can find it with factory night sights) and you're good to go for range and home defense.
 
We own two CZ's and they have been absolutely flawless. My wife had a Sig P239, which also performed flawlessly. But after she bought a CZ P01, she hardly ever shot the Sig after that. She liked the lighter weigh frame. And I can't believe how accurate she was with it. She ended up trading off the Sig.
I have a 75B and I love it. One of the most balanced handguns I've ever shot.
You can't go wrong with a CZ. And you can't beat the price on them.
I've got my eye on the new CZ P06 in .40 for my next purchase.

Sig P220
M&P 45
Kahr PM9
Sig P239 9mm
CZ 75B 9mm
CZ P01
 
The P-01 frame is FORGED. It is the only CZ frame that is forged. While I would be concerned about a cast alloy frame I would not be with the P-01.

I own four CZs. The P-01 appears to be the best made of the bunch, and the most reliable out of the box.
 
If it is just one CZ, then the P01.

I have a SP01 and am getting a 2075 Rami for carry.
 
I have to say, I've been doing my level best to wear out a PO-1, and I'm just not getting anywhere. :)

But in defense of the 75B, and RAMI. I own all three and think they are the best made guns (for the money) out there.

And don't even get me started on their rifles. :D

Many RemRugWinchesters had to be sold to finance my acquisitions. :D
 
I wouldn't be concerned about the durability of aluminum alloy frames in most any modern service pistol, unless said gun is going to shoot several thousand rounds per month.

cost of gun << cost of ammo needed to wear out gun
 
I have read on several forums where a number of people have expressed opinions that the Aluminum Alloy frames on guns would rank lower than even the polymer/plastic guns. These opinions were about aluminum alloy guns in general not specific to CZs and I really like the P-01. Does anyone have thoughts on the Aluminum frame of the P-01?

It seems that gun owners/shooters have attitudes and opinions that are very hard to change and, equally often, are unphazed by facts. Having said that the CZ P-01 was designed from the get go to be a particularly strong, reliable, and highly durable firearm. Since it was to be carried by soldiers and police the issue of weight was also a serious concern and hence the forged aluminum frame. The initial (and ongoing tests) run by CZ have shown that the P-01 will have a round, count, life as good or better than one of its steel framed brethren.
 
Ah, if you'd only posted this two months ago, when I was still in Houston! I have a 75B SA that I use for HD and IDPA. I think this is exactly what you're looking for:

1) It's heavy, so you don't have to worry about recoil as much, especially since you'll be pumped full of adrenaline
2) It's full-size, so you have a better sight radius
3) It's SAO and completely safe to carry or store cocked and locked for easy access.
4) It's SAO, so you only have to train for one type of trigger pull. I really don't like the idea of DA/SA guns for CC or HD, but that's just a personal preference. Training can overcome this, though it will take time.
5) It's very reliable once you replace the extractor spring with a 16# Wolff spring. The stock extractor spring is a little too weak, so I had about 10 FTEs during my first 7k rounds. While that's not too bad, you want a HD gun to be 100%. If you're ordering springs, I also like my 16# recoil spring. It only takes a couple of minutes to switch out and you shouldn't have any problems.
6) It's damn sexy.
7) The grip angle is perfect (for me and many others). That's not to say that the other CZs don't have a good grip angle.
8) http://p201.ezboard.com/fczechpistols82792frm46
 
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