Which CZ75 for me?

[Katitmail]

IME CZ75 is a great "kit" or "platform" gun. I got my first 75SAO and it was not all that great. Trigger was so so, ejection was "to my face" and there was some stovepipes during break in. This is what you get for the CZ 75 price point. What else in full metal can compete? (from serious brands)

SIG will look much better inside, overall seems like more quality piece.

Now to the bright side:

CZ75 with thin grips handles almost like 1911 which is perfect for my hands.
I got CZ SP01 SHADOW CUSTOM and this is a way to go. CUSTOM is a key word. There was couple posts above referring to custom shop and I will reiterate this. My new gun have <3lb SA trigger and <6lb DA. Its a pleasure to shoot. It's simple, reliable and just perfect, like Honda Works every time, I feed it thousands of rounds, I tried not to clean it for long time and it just runs. I will highly recommend it. Get custom and enjoy.

.. but inside it looks like it was made with a chisel..
.. I would not use it for HD - I just don't think that lightened springs and so on is a good idea for reliability ...

 

[JDR]

Here is the CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow Target II;



http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-75-sp-01-shadow-target-ii-9mm-cz-custom/

All of the CZ Custom Shop work is already done for you.

 

[valnar]

I'm trying to decide if I want the rail. I like the functionality of it, but I don't know if I would use it. I wonder if a red dot laser would be useful. The gun does look better without it.

I have another dilemma too. I went to another gun store yesterday and saw the SIG P229 Stainless Elite. This one has the steel frame and is overall even heavier than the CZ. It felt really solid. I wonder if that heft on the lower part will help with muzzle flip?

 

[I6turbo]

IME CZ75 is a great "kit" or "platform" gun. I got my first 75SAO and it was not all that great. Trigger was so so, ejection was "to my face" and there was some stovepipes during break in. This is what you get for the CZ 75 price point. What else in full metal can compete? (from serious brands)

SIG will look much better inside, overall seems like more quality piece.

Now to the bright side:

CZ75 with thin grips handles almost like 1911 which is perfect for my hands.
I got CZ SP01 SHADOW CUSTOM and this is a way to go. CUSTOM is a key word. There was couple posts above referring to custom shop and I will reiterate this. My new gun have <3lb SA trigger and <6lb DA. Its a pleasure to shoot. It's simple, reliable and just perfect, like Honda Works every time, I feed it thousands of rounds, I tried not to clean it for long time and it just runs. I will highly recommend it. Get custom and enjoy.

.. but inside it looks like it was made with a chisel..
.. I would not use it for HD - I just don't think that lightened springs and so on is a good idea for reliability ...

Your experience doesn't sound like mine at all. I have a 75 B stainless, 75 D PCR, 85 Combat, and 97 B. I've fired many different brands of ammo, various bullet weights, hollow point and round nose with no malfunctions of any sort, and they pile the empty brass where it should be. And the "looks like it was made with a chisel..." remark is nothing less than absurd based upon the internals of these 4 guns.

 

[Katitmail]

I agree that not all factory CZs have problems but many do have same problem like my first one did. And toolmarks inside all over. Compare to SIG, Kimber, HK guns. Heck, even my military Mak EG has better machining. It doesn't affect anything. But it does show that it's inexpensive military gun, that is all. Poly coat exterior is functional but not a nice bluing or parkerising...

And as I said I love my custom CZ and highly recommend it

 

[greyling22]

I'm trying to decide if I want the rail. I like the functionality of it, but I don't know if I would use it. I wonder if a red dot laser would be useful. The gun does look better without it.

I have another dilemma too. I went to another gun store yesterday and saw the SIG P229 Stainless Elite. This one has the steel frame and is overall even heavier than the CZ. It felt really solid. I wonder if that heft on the lower part will help with muzzle flip?

SIG's have a really high bore axis. (The barrel and slid sit way up above your hand. For me, they seem to recoil more because of it. That said, if you want light recoil, start loading your own. My loads barely eject. Soft shooting and I don't have to hunt my brass.

 

[sigarms228]

I'm trying to decide if I want the rail. I like the functionality of it, but I don't know if I would use it. I wonder if a red dot laser would be useful. The gun does look better without it.

I have another dilemma too. I went to another gun store yesterday and saw the SIG P229 Stainless Elite. This one has the steel frame and is overall even heavier than the CZ. It felt really solid. I wonder if that heft on the lower part will help with muzzle flip?

The P229 Stainless Elite is a really sharp pistol. The extra weight always helps with recoil/muzzle flip. Personally muzzle flip does not bother me much and all pistols have it to some degree. Using a proper grip, I use high tang thumbs forward grip, can help a lot as does experience with your pistol. As long as the pistol tracks well straight up/down in that it comes quickly back right on target I am good with it.

Travis Haley has a couple excellent short videos on pistol grip for auto loading pistols. See links below if interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMzQIHN-LiI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY6gwhj5qpY

 

[chris in va]

Here, let's make this simple.

Sp-01 Tactical

 

[Pilot]

I agree that not all factory CZs have problems but many do have same problem like my first one did. And toolmarks inside all over. Compare to SIG, Kimber, HK guns. Heck, even my military Mak EG has better machining. It doesn't affect anything. But it does show that it's inexpensive military gun, that is all. Poly coat exterior is functional but not a nice bluing or parkerising...

And as I said I love my custom CZ and highly recommend it

I have five CZ pistols and this has never been my experience.

 

[valnar]

CZ 75 B Ω Convertible ?

Yeah, I was pretty much set on getting the CZ 75 BD or the Sp-01 Tactical until I saw the new Omega line.

If I read this correctly, it can be a CZ 75B OR a CZ 75BD 'like gun that a user can change. It also has an advantage of being easier to take down, yes?

http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-75-b-%CF%89-convertible-omega/

 

[dragon813gt]

You are reading it correctly. The Omega trigger is simpler to take apart. Watch some YouTube videos on taking a standard 75 trigger apart. It's not something you will want to attempt unless you absolutely have to.

 

[viking499]

Valnar, you can still get the original 75's.

 

[valnar]

Valnar, you can still get the original 75's.

What does that do for me?

 

[alleycat7002]

I like the 5906..carried one for yrs

 

[gotboostvr]

I'm about to pick up a CZ 75B SA
I like the idea of cocked and locked carry, which the standard CZ 75B can do but since this is mostly a range gun for me I liked the other added touches the SA offers like the ambi safety, drop free magazines (which is an easy modification if it wasn't factory) and the extended beavertail as well as a heavier dust cover than the CZ 75B for softer shooting.

It's kind of an inbetween from the CZ 75B to the SP-01 ergonomically and can be tuned up for a great SAO trigger fairly simply.

 

[Tallball]

My FiL has a new CZ75 and I have an old EAA Witness. The Witness is larger. We both have huge hands and it fits us better. You are making a wise choice, imho. Between us we have around a dozen 9mm pistols, and the CZ's are easily my favourites.

 

[I6turbo]

My FiL has a new CZ75 and I have an old EAA Witness. The Witness is larger. We both have huge hands and it fits us better. You are making a wise choice, imho. Between us we have around a dozen 9mm pistols, and the CZ's are easily my favourites.

Re: earlier posts... Did you have to send yours off to the custom shop to get them to run?

 

[viking499]

What does that do for me?

My bad, I misread/misunderstood.

Both are good options. Over the years I have had safety and decocker models. Only have decocker models now.....just what I seem to like.

At this time, I have no desire to have a gun that I can swap between decocker and safety, but would like to try the omega setup and something like a SP-01 or similar. I like the omega trigger more and more on my new P-07.

 

[gotboostvr]

I think the biggest boon of the Omega trigger is mostly for people who haven't shot or owned a CZ 75 and can't decide if they want a decocker or safefty. as it lets them try both and decide. I wouldn't be surprised if alot of new CZ owners choose the Omega for that reason, but seasoned owners will probably have mostly (or entirely) one or the other due to developed preferences.

I heavily considered one before I realized I do infact like cocked and locked and is in big part why I dumped my DA/SA Smith auto's in favor of my revolvers and 1911's

After I realized that I considered that I would rather have the potentially better trigger and improved ergonomics of the 75B SA model over the "second strike" DA trigger of the 75B.

Also looking into it further, I realized that any of the safety models can be converted to DA/SA w/ safety to SAO w/ safety and vice-versa fairly simply.

So if I decide I would like to have a DA/SA I can still with a fairly cheap and easy conversion and still have the improved frame of the 75B SA.

That's just how I arrived at my conclusion. The fact I was able to snag a minty fresh brand new CZ 75B SA GunBroker for $450 shipped really sealed the deal and made it a no-brainer.

 

[stchman]

IME CZ75 is a great "kit" or "platform" gun. I got my first 75SAO and it was not all that great. Trigger was so so, ejection was "to my face" and there was some stovepipes during break in. This is what you get for the CZ 75 price point. What else in full metal can compete? (from serious brands)

SIG will look much better inside, overall seems like more quality piece.

Now to the bright side:

CZ75 with thin grips handles almost like 1911 which is perfect for my hands.
I got CZ SP01 SHADOW CUSTOM and this is a way to go. CUSTOM is a key word. There was couple posts above referring to custom shop and I will reiterate this. My new gun have <3lb SA trigger and <6lb DA. Its a pleasure to shoot. It's simple, reliable and just perfect, like Honda Works every time, I feed it thousands of rounds, I tried not to clean it for long time and it just runs. I will highly recommend it. Get custom and enjoy.

.. but inside it looks like it was made with a chisel..
.. I would not use it for HD - I just don't think that lightened springs and so on is a good idea for reliability ...

This is a truly absurd post.

Stop buying "bubba'd" CZ75s.

 

[Katitmail]

This is a truly absurd post.

I see lot of people quoting whole post like that. Can you elaborate what exact points is "absurd" in my post?

 

[MikeInOr]

I carry a XDS 3.3 in .45acp. My home defense gun is a Beretta 92fs.

For pure range fun, easy shooting, accurate, reliable and upgradable/customizable nothing beats a 1911! I have always been impressed with the CZ75 but your initial list of wants:

The factors I consider most important to ME are:
1) Trigger pull
2) Ease of field strip & cleaning
3) Reliable

pretty much screams 1911! There is a reason (many reasons) 1911's are so popular! Have you looked at any double stack 1911's in 9mm? -Just food for thought for you to ponder over.

 

[stchman]

I see lot of people quoting whole post like that. Can you elaborate what exact points is "absurd" in my post?

CZ75s being "kit" guns.
The insides look like they are made with a chisel.

 

[Katitmail]

CZ75s being "kit" guns.

I put IME there(in my experience). Yes, out of box they don't have great triggers. And yes, they are not 100% every time. Go to CZ forums and you will see same ejection problems and feeding problem. Probably small percent, but I got brand new CZ with those issues. But you can make them GREAT (CZ CUSTOM, Cajun, etc) - to me it means gun is a "kit" gun.

The insides look like they are made with a chisel.

I refer to toolmarks in comparison to SIG's, most 1911s and such. From this very forum:http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=387667

 

[valnar]

For pure range fun, easy shooting, accurate, reliable and upgradable/customizable nothing beats a 1911! I have always been impressed with the CZ75 but your initial list of wants:

The factors I consider most important to ME are:
1) Trigger pull
2) Ease of field strip & cleaning
3) Reliable

pretty much screams 1911! There is a reason (many reasons) 1911's are so popular! Have you looked at any double stack 1911's in 9mm? -Just food for thought for you to ponder over.

I wouldn't call the 1911 easy to field strip, actually the worst. Nor the most reliable auto by a long shot.

Yes, I realize it's relatively easy to take apart, but still technically "the hardest" of any gun I own. My single 1911 does have an idiot mark. That's not something you like to see on a $1200 gun.