Which full-cap nine to celebrate the death of the mag ban?

Which full cap 9mm and why?

  • Beretta 92 Inox

    Votes: 10 12.2%

  • BHP

    Votes: 24 29.3%

  • CZ-85B or Combat

    Votes: 10 12.2%

  • HK USPc-9 or P2000

    Votes: 6 7.3%

  • HK P7M13

    Votes: 9 11.0%

  • Para-Ord P-18

    Votes: 7 8.5%

  • Steyr M9

    Votes: 4 4.9%

  • Walther P99

    Votes: 12 14.6%
  • Total voters
    82
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I'm doing everything I can to sunset the AWB. I already have a "pre-ban" AR-15 on my list of to dos for next October. Now I am thinking of budgeting a 9mm and 6 reasonably priced full cap mags.

So which one? I have ruled out SIGs because I don't like being a southpaw slingshot only as the slide release on a reload, and I have ruled out a Glock, S&W, & Ruger for their politics.

Which one of these would you choose and why?
 
Go CZ or BHP. I love my CZ (nearly 100% reliable, incredible accuracy, long but smooth trigger pull, durable, good fit and finish and it fits me like a glove) and the CZ is a bit cheaper than the FN HP. However, the FN HP is probably a bit higher quality. I've been hearing some people w/ problem CZs lately (don't misunderstand, it is still a small number)- I'm guessing that trying to keep up with the newfound demand they probably let some out of the US distributor (CZ-USA) that they normally wouldn't. Also, the BHP is a classic. If you try to drop the price to lower than CZ (FEG) or similar to CZ (Charles Daly when it comes out or FM now) then the quality advantage goes to CZ. Which would I chose? I bought a CZ 75 about a year and a half ago and a CZ 40 shortly thereafter and I don't yet have a BHP (hopefully fairly soon). If I was to start over I'd probably go CZ due to the price difference and it is still a quality gun, though if price wasn't a consideration I'd probably go BHP.

For the rest, yeah I think I will probably own one of a few of those one day. However, I prefer the CZ and BHP.

Anyway, if you start with either the CZ or BHP I think you'll be very happy.
 
Personally, I've been there and done that with most of the higher-cap 9s. I would probably pickup up an LDA 18/9 if I could gets mags for it. And just for the heck of it I'd probably pick up a bunch of 40S&W mags for my EAA Silver Team and a few more mags for my Taurus but neither of the mags are prohibitavely expensive.

9mm Glock guys should be pretty happy. ;)
 
You can forget about that mag ban being ended, George W. Bush is not going to let that happen. He is a friend to us when he needs the NRA vote but after election, we can suck on it as far as he is concerned.

BTW, yes, I wrote him a letter expressing my displeasure in his failure to support our rights. He doesn't care about you so long as he can hunt quail in his private ranch in Texas. Must be nice to be born with a silver spoon in your mouth.:rolleyes:

It is put-up or shut-up time Bush! Repeal just one of the liberal gun bans and I will gladly eat my words!
 
If you are going to rule out S&W due to politics you might as well rule out Walther. They are seperate companies, but new Walthers are imported by S&W and they are sharing designs. Supporting one supports the other.

Bad gun maker! :fire: Bad!
 
WonderNine,
Must be nice to live in your world.:rolleyes: It ain't gonna happen buddy boy.

If it does sunset, I will buy you a brand new Glock 17 hi-cap. If it doesn't, you have to buy me a Bersa 23 low-cap.:D
 
WonderNine,
Must be nice to live in your world. It ain't gonna happen buddy boy.
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I don't think you understand that the bill has to make it to the floor of the House for a vote (not likely). And then it has to pass the House (impossible). In order for it to reach shrub's desk for him to sign.

If it does sunset, I will buy you a brand new Glock 17 hi-cap.
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Buying me a Glock 17 hi-cap is like buying Tropical Z a H&K P7M13 hi-cap. :D It just don't make sense. :D

How about a stainless Hi-Power factory 13 rounder to add to my collection of BHP hi-caps instead :)
 
Beretta or CZ, perhaps Walther P99 since hi-caps will then be available for it at a lower price...thats my plan anyways.

The AWB will die. It's not going to get past the House, and if by some miracle it does(it won't), it will be up against 52 "NO"s in the Senate.
 
Here is my math:

The original AWB passed the House 216-214 in 1994.
There was a sucessful vote to repeal it in the House just two years later that went nowhere in the Senate.

This year, (or next) the renewed AWB has little or no chance of making it out of Committee. It will simply sunset if we keep applying the pressure on the House, where such pressure is the most effective.

Therefore I am budgeting some celebratory purchases. If I am disappointed, I will merely get another left-handed Remington rather than a new AR, this time in a "fast .33," like .338, with a scope, and another Colt 1911. Or maybe one of those damascus slide Caspians and ditch the rifle idea. Either way, I come out smelling like a rose, ready to vote out some punks on election day.
 
If (and that's a big if) the ban doesn't get renewed, I'll stock up on full-caps for my CZs. I'll also pick up an Inox Beretta 92 and a Glock 19, and a shoebox full of full-caps for each.
 
Browning HiPower, the classic.
Maybe Bush really doesn't want the renewal. If it does not pass, he can tell the gun-control crowd he was for it, and would have signed it, but they didn't get the job done. Meanwhile, the NRA tells the gun rights voters that he was really on their side - it was all just politics and appearances.
 
Ok I will play. I have sent my emails and such and really hope that it does go away. I don't honestly believe it will but hey I am a bit of a pessimist.

If it does go away I will buy a boatload of 16 round P99 magazines and maybe just maybe I can get funds allocated from my own personal congressional defense committy for an HK P7M13 ooooooo that would just be darn cool. Of course what would I be getting myself into as new P7M8 magazines are $45 bucks a pop. I cannot imagine M13 mags being any cheaper, probably more like $55 to $60 a pop. Hey it's better than $120.

Ahh who am I kidding chances are I will be a father buy then and all my money will be going towards toys........hopefully boy toys but Barbie does have some cool stuff too actually that Bi....ahhh young lady has everything.:D
 
I voted for the BHP, but I bought one 2 years ago. I bought a CZ 75B the year before that. And quite a few mags for both of them, too. The stainless 13-rd Mec-Gars for the BHP were only $33. The 17-rd KRDs for the CZ were less than $20. I think the most I spent on any mag was $45 for a new one from CZ.

Why wait on a bunch of politicians? The guns and mags aren't that expensive now. If the prices drop by half somewhere down the road...well...I'll buy more.

You could be shooting.

John
 
Wondernine,
Sorry. I must have misunderstood your laughing as you believing it was going to sunset. Also I got you mixed up with 9x19 in the Glock 17 comment. Your names are similar in what they bring to mind (9mm hi-cap pistols).

If by some chance it does sunset, I wonder if the price of factory hi-caps will come down to the same price as factory 10 rounders. They should because it costs the same to make a 10 round mag as it costs to make a 15 round mag but I have the sneeking suspision that they will be more expensive. Its a moot point anyway as I don't see Bush or any branch of the government giving us any more rights than they have to. Once something is taken away, it is harder to get it back then it would have been to just have fought to keep it.

I haven't done as much as much as I should to protect these rights so I have no reason to complain. I am one of the selfish people that as long as I can get hi-caps and other things I want, I don't bother helping other people. I really feel for people in CA. but that is a state issue and I don't live there so I can't influence things there.

The fact is, gun owners are a slowly dying breed. As there are less and less places to shoot and less game to hunt, people are not growning up with guns like in the old days. I try to encourge as many people as I can to get a gun because once they have a gun, all of a sudden they think about things most people take for granted. If we had twice as many gun owners in this counrty, we wouldn't have to worry about our rights being squashed by the "elite" in the government. More than anything else you can do, converting or bringing up another gun owner is the best thing you can do to preserve your rights. If we are few, we will be looked at as a special interest group, this is how the guns were taken away in England. Most of the gun owners were upper class and the majority didn't think they should have something that they didn't have.

Sorry, I got off topic and rambled on.
 
Eh, even if it doesn't get renewed, CA has taken enough initiative to ensure I won't benefit any.
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Pretty much the same situation here in NY as I understand it.. Still pushing for it to sunset though :D

Leo
 
Bush is not going to do anything with this one. He may say that he supports the current AWB, but he is not going to push this new bill through. He wants to appeal to the more liberal crowd, while keeping his conservative supporters. Even though I have strong feelings about this issue, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole, and I doubt he will. I'm sure his people have diagnosed the situation and know the liberals can't make it work; he can sit back and say "aw shucks, I really wish that bill would have gone through. Too bad." Even the most liberal gun-grabbers aren't attempting to push anything extreme. It's just too risky to make that plunge. At least I hope this is the scenario. I have already written my state senators (R- J. Warner and R- G. Allen). I've written to Schumer and Feinstein, too; the letter wasn't as laudatory.

If the high capacity magazine ban dies, I think the real explosion is going to take place in weapons that became popular after the ban. I would look for Kahr to come up with a high capacity gun (T9), and the XD line-up will explode. As will guns chambered in 357 Sig, a caliber that never really benefitted from commercial high capacity magazines sales.
 
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