bamajoey
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If you need info on trigger pull weight you can contact CZ Custom. Several folks there that can answer your questions.
http://czcustom.com/
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Which full size 9mm?
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wow6599
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Why don't you read what the OP asked? I'll just make it easy for you. The OP stated -
So what are you talking about?
Thats no biggy.
I do appreciate all of the informed suggestions.
They got me thinking about other makes that I never considered.
Like FNS and Walther.
Those 2 in particular I never even thought about, but now I'm going to find some to test out.
In the end it will come down to how the gun fits my hand, and the feel of the trigger. Plus it has to have a tac rail.
I do appreciate all of the informed suggestions.
They got me thinking about other makes that I never considered.
Like FNS and Walther.
Those 2 in particular I never even thought about, but now I'm going to find some to test out.
In the end it will come down to how the gun fits my hand, and the feel of the trigger. Plus it has to have a tac rail.
1SOW
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My CZ 75B 9mm range/comp gun has some replacement action parts ($130?) and DIY polishing.
6# DA, 2.5# SA. Zero hammer camming, smooth pull, clean break. Still has the firing pin interrupt safety feature.
SA trigger was lighter (1.8 #) but I couldn't handle it, so brought it back up a little.
The Phantom 9mm trigger I tried was stock, and it was noticeably better OOB than my B was when it was new--over 50K rds ago. Since then, he upgraded his trigger action and it's really good.
6# DA, 2.5# SA. Zero hammer camming, smooth pull, clean break. Still has the firing pin interrupt safety feature.
SA trigger was lighter (1.8 #) but I couldn't handle it, so brought it back up a little.
The Phantom 9mm trigger I tried was stock, and it was noticeably better OOB than my B was when it was new--over 50K rds ago. Since then, he upgraded his trigger action and it's really good.
Bozwell
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The Phantom was my first CZ, but honestly I'd not recommend it over the other CZ's unless you really need a light weight, high capacity duty weapon. It's a very nice gun and mine has worked out very well, but if you don't yet have a CZ, I'd get a steel framed one (something like SP-01 Tactical or Shadow). Way more grip options and you'll appreciate the extra weight for range/HD duty.
armoredman
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I am very fond of my Phantom. Pardon the goofy little movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC42QLurfrQ&feature=g-upl
Mine is awesome, and I can't recommend it high enough.The trigger works well for me, but I also have to say Angus Hobdell's shop, czcustom.com, is THE place to go for any CZ work. I've tried their triggers personally, and it's amazing.
Too bad you're far away - be happy to let you try mine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC42QLurfrQ&feature=g-upl
Mine is awesome, and I can't recommend it high enough.The trigger works well for me, but I also have to say Angus Hobdell's shop, czcustom.com, is THE place to go for any CZ work. I've tried their triggers personally, and it's amazing.
Too bad you're far away - be happy to let you try mine.
Thanks Bozwell, and others, but yes I am seriously looking at the Phantom, due to it's lighter weight. Now the clip capacity isn't as much a concern, but I do like the 15 round clips, or more.
Really, if I only wanted a 8 or 10 round clip, I'd be looking for a .45
So the clip capacity is only slightly important to me, but give or take, not a deal breaker.
Concerning the weight, I am used to shooting 28oz. to 30oz. handguns, and looking at the specs of the all steel CZ versions , being over 40oz.
I'm just a little leery of that big of a difference in weight?
It may not be an issue, once I feel it in my hands, as I am a big guy, 6'2" 240lb.
Mainly I want to be as stable while shooting my 4th clip, as I was when shooting my 1st clip.
& from what I've read regarding the Phantom, it's grips are rubber, and I would think I'd get a pretty positive hold with that type of grip.
But please understand, I've shot a good amount of other makes, but never even held a CZ.
Thats one reason I wanted to see what everybody thought about the CZ when compared to the Springfield XD.
I have used one before, and found the rear trigger safety somewhat bothersome. But I know it's a well built handgun. I guess you could say the XD is another that (just for me), was just a little uncomfortably in my hand, or not contoured enough to be comfortable. Thats also why I've stayed away from Glocks.
Me and my buddy go shooting a lot, and he has a Glock 19, and it always feels wrong in my hand. He also said he loves the way my Ruger SR40 feels in his hand, but he doesn't like the trigger pull either.
He's also said I can't go wrong with a CZ.
Plus if the trigger on the CZ is only a bit off, I can easily deal with that, or if I think it needs to be worked on, I have a guy who will do it for me. He's a Sheriffs deputy, who's currently being sent to sniper school. He's stripped and either repaired, or improved just a ton of different guns. So I'm pretty luck in that.
Really, if I only wanted a 8 or 10 round clip, I'd be looking for a .45
So the clip capacity is only slightly important to me, but give or take, not a deal breaker.
Concerning the weight, I am used to shooting 28oz. to 30oz. handguns, and looking at the specs of the all steel CZ versions , being over 40oz.
I'm just a little leery of that big of a difference in weight?
It may not be an issue, once I feel it in my hands, as I am a big guy, 6'2" 240lb.
Mainly I want to be as stable while shooting my 4th clip, as I was when shooting my 1st clip.
& from what I've read regarding the Phantom, it's grips are rubber, and I would think I'd get a pretty positive hold with that type of grip.
But please understand, I've shot a good amount of other makes, but never even held a CZ.
Thats one reason I wanted to see what everybody thought about the CZ when compared to the Springfield XD.
I have used one before, and found the rear trigger safety somewhat bothersome. But I know it's a well built handgun. I guess you could say the XD is another that (just for me), was just a little uncomfortably in my hand, or not contoured enough to be comfortable. Thats also why I've stayed away from Glocks.
Me and my buddy go shooting a lot, and he has a Glock 19, and it always feels wrong in my hand. He also said he loves the way my Ruger SR40 feels in his hand, but he doesn't like the trigger pull either.
He's also said I can't go wrong with a CZ.
Plus if the trigger on the CZ is only a bit off, I can easily deal with that, or if I think it needs to be worked on, I have a guy who will do it for me. He's a Sheriffs deputy, who's currently being sent to sniper school. He's stripped and either repaired, or improved just a ton of different guns. So I'm pretty luck in that.
Shoot several before deciding. When you find one that you can shoot quarter sized groups at 10 yards and it feels like you're holding an extension of your arm when shooting, you'll know that's YOUR gun.
I have two CZs (75B and P06) and they're freakin fantastic.
Personally I would recommend taking the previously posted advice that suggested getting one of the all-metal CZs, such as the SP-01, instead of a polymer variant. I don't care for CZs polymer framed guns.
The XD is great, I have one as well. It's the only polymer pistol I own, I prefer metal guns for balance and handling recoil effectively. The XD has two downsides in my opinion, one is the fact that the slide is much heavier than the receiver (metal vs. plastic) and thus feels less solid when firing. I still love it and don't think a 9mm is at all difficult to control but that's one of my complaints with the XD: its not as balanced. The other is the sights are the 6 o'clock variety (I prefer the point of aim type). The manual is pretty wishy washy about this saying something about it varying depending on the shooting distance and varying also by the shooter. Whatever that means, it should really be one type of sight or the other. Maybe what they mean is that it's not as accurate further out so if you switch to point of aim you might start hitting the target again. Or is that being cynical?
I love my XD. But to me the CZ is like a fine piece of art, whereas the XD is a useful tool. Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but that's my personal preference.
If you're considering a CZ you should also consider the Browning Hi Power. It is designed by the same guy (Browning) who designed the 1911, and like the 1911, is pretty much legendary for accuracy and reliability. The CZ75B has occasionally been called the poor mans BHP. I consider that rather insulting but do understand where the statement comes from. The CZ was clearly designed to incorporate some of the BHP features that made it so successful. In that, CZ did a good job and made some novel and useful improvements to boot.
I have two CZs (75B and P06) and they're freakin fantastic.
Personally I would recommend taking the previously posted advice that suggested getting one of the all-metal CZs, such as the SP-01, instead of a polymer variant. I don't care for CZs polymer framed guns.
The XD is great, I have one as well. It's the only polymer pistol I own, I prefer metal guns for balance and handling recoil effectively. The XD has two downsides in my opinion, one is the fact that the slide is much heavier than the receiver (metal vs. plastic) and thus feels less solid when firing. I still love it and don't think a 9mm is at all difficult to control but that's one of my complaints with the XD: its not as balanced. The other is the sights are the 6 o'clock variety (I prefer the point of aim type). The manual is pretty wishy washy about this saying something about it varying depending on the shooting distance and varying also by the shooter. Whatever that means, it should really be one type of sight or the other. Maybe what they mean is that it's not as accurate further out so if you switch to point of aim you might start hitting the target again. Or is that being cynical?
I love my XD. But to me the CZ is like a fine piece of art, whereas the XD is a useful tool. Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but that's my personal preference.
If you're considering a CZ you should also consider the Browning Hi Power. It is designed by the same guy (Browning) who designed the 1911, and like the 1911, is pretty much legendary for accuracy and reliability. The CZ75B has occasionally been called the poor mans BHP. I consider that rather insulting but do understand where the statement comes from. The CZ was clearly designed to incorporate some of the BHP features that made it so successful. In that, CZ did a good job and made some novel and useful improvements to boot.
Thanks sothoth!
Great and well thought out response!
I have been looking at some of the 75B's, and the extra weight to them is the only thing that might make me not get one.
I just won't really know till I try a few different ones.
I've got nothing to do this weekend, so I'm going to Lexington, and plan on trying out most of the suggestions posted here.
I may even come back from Lexington with something new???
Again, you guys are great, and all have made great recommendations!
Great and well thought out response!
I have been looking at some of the 75B's, and the extra weight to them is the only thing that might make me not get one.
I just won't really know till I try a few different ones.
I've got nothing to do this weekend, so I'm going to Lexington, and plan on trying out most of the suggestions posted here.
I may even come back from Lexington with something new???
Again, you guys are great, and all have made great recommendations!
Queen_of_Thunder
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For a full sized 9MM I would highly reccomend the CZ 75 TS or the Sig X5 L1. You simply cannot go wrong with either one. Of course if you have the cash an early Sig P210 is the best one you can buy.
Bozwell
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Just my opinion, but so long as the gun fits you well, more weight is a good thing for range/HD work. Yes, there are practical limits and you don't want to buy a 10 lb handgun. But, in my experience, lots of people like a light-weight handgun until they've shot a heavier gun, and then they don't want the light-weight gun anymore. A heavier, all-steel CZ is going to have less recoil, less muzzle flip, and ultimately will be more pleasant to shoot. You'll also have more options when it comes to changing grips to ensure that the gun fits your hands perfectly.
Personally, I think this concern over gun weight is all in your head. I've let my 120lb, 60 year old mother shoot my SP-01 Shadow Custom and she never once complained about the weight (she also reminded me she can still outshoot me and shot a sub-1" group at 10 yards with it ...). If she can handle an all steel gun, you certainly can as well.
Now, this is different if you need to carry this gun on your hip all day, every day. But for most people, the lighter weight really isn't a factor. Even if you are looking for a carry gun, I probably wouldn't recommend the Phantom due to its size.
Don't take this as me bashing the Phantom, because I do like mine. I've got it tuned up nicely and it stays on nightstand duty these days. Just realize it's a specialty tool - it's high capacity and polymer, which means more recoil, more muzzle flip and no grip options. If you don't need to carry it, stop worrying about how much it weighs.
Oh, and it's a magazine, not a clip.
Personally, I think this concern over gun weight is all in your head. I've let my 120lb, 60 year old mother shoot my SP-01 Shadow Custom and she never once complained about the weight (she also reminded me she can still outshoot me and shot a sub-1" group at 10 yards with it ...). If she can handle an all steel gun, you certainly can as well.
Now, this is different if you need to carry this gun on your hip all day, every day. But for most people, the lighter weight really isn't a factor. Even if you are looking for a carry gun, I probably wouldn't recommend the Phantom due to its size.
Don't take this as me bashing the Phantom, because I do like mine. I've got it tuned up nicely and it stays on nightstand duty these days. Just realize it's a specialty tool - it's high capacity and polymer, which means more recoil, more muzzle flip and no grip options. If you don't need to carry it, stop worrying about how much it weighs.
Oh, and it's a magazine, not a clip.
Thanks Bozwell, and you are correct! I have never shot a handgun over 32oz. But that is kinda what I said
I may very well love it immediately?
& no, I want a full size semi auto for it's accuracy, and open carry.
I have a short barreled Sig for CC, and my SR40 is my "beside my bed security"
Thank you very much for your opinion, because you were right on the mark with the weight issue!
I have only shot handguns with polymer frames, and I do like the idea of being able to change grips to find a well fitting one.
Yes I do understand they are called magazines, but typing clip is easier, and I'm sure everyone was aware of what I was referring to.
Sorry about my laziness.
But thank you very much for your insight, your post alone has made a difference!
I do intend on shooting one of the all steel CZ 75's.
I may very well love it immediately?
& no, I want a full size semi auto for it's accuracy, and open carry.
I have a short barreled Sig for CC, and my SR40 is my "beside my bed security"
Thank you very much for your opinion, because you were right on the mark with the weight issue!
I have only shot handguns with polymer frames, and I do like the idea of being able to change grips to find a well fitting one.
Yes I do understand they are called magazines, but typing clip is easier, and I'm sure everyone was aware of what I was referring to.
Sorry about my laziness.
But thank you very much for your insight, your post alone has made a difference!
OP specifically mentioned other choices, and that he was open to other suggestions. So, if there is something that may work better than "A" or "B" then I am going to suggest it. What exactly was your point with that post...trolling ?Once again, we can't make it out of the single digit posts on an "A" or "B" question without "G" being thrown into the mix.
Furncliff
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I have had a CZ 75b for almost ten years and a Kadet conversion kit for nearly that long. The Kadet kit is as well made as the 75b, and you get to practice with your full size, full weight pistol with the same trigger pull. If your gun will be a range/target gun consider getting the SAO trigger. I occasionally get the opportunity to introduce someone to the shooting sports. I can start them out on the Kadet, and in 15 seconds switch to 9mm and they are ready to go and familiar with the controls. I've noticed that even noobies shoot the 75b very well.
An additional suggestion is a 1911 in 9mm. I've had my second hand RIA commander size for only a short time, but I like it. If you like the 1911 ergos and trigger it's worth considering.
An additional suggestion is a 1911 in 9mm. I've had my second hand RIA commander size for only a short time, but I like it. If you like the 1911 ergos and trigger it's worth considering.
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Sorry to hear that. My SR40 has a fantastic trigger, sounds to me like you might have played with a lemon.
Bozwell
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Not sure if it's just the early ones or what, but quite a lot of SR9/SR40's have absolutely lousy triggers. I've heard the SR9c's are much better and some people seem to have decent triggers with their SR9/SR40. I can only say that the two I handled had very poor triggers. Ultimately, I think there's just a lot of production inconsistency in these guns, perhaps because they changed something for the better along the way.
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I removed the mag safety and it helped smooth it out even more!
I have a nice, crisp trigger. Much better than the G17 I sold recently.
For a striker fired gun this trigger on my SR40 is sweet as can be!
I have a nice, crisp trigger. Much better than the G17 I sold recently.
For a striker fired gun this trigger on my SR40 is sweet as can be!
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"Quite a lot", really? How many have you actually fired?!
Oh, wait! TWO!!
Don't believe all the stories you read on the Internet. My SR40 has an exceptional trigger and I don't think I am the exception here.
The SR Series pistols are vastly underrated.
Just because Ruger isn't pimping itself out to Military and Law Enforcement, it shouldn't be overlooked as a fantastic gun.
I've "heard" that the SR Series has a better trigger than Smith & Wesson's over priced M&P series.
Zeke/PA
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I just recently picked up a Ruger P95 that I could not live without ,ESPECIALLY since the price was right and the previous owner shot it about 50 times.
I took it to the range and shot it, was well satisfied and have since made it my daily carry.
Hefty piece in 9MM but I like it.
I took it to the range and shot it, was well satisfied and have since made it my daily carry.
Hefty piece in 9MM but I like it.
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Very nice gun. I also have one and it eats everything I feed it!
Bozwell
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I'm not the only poster or guy on the Internet who's said that. You can find numerous posts and articles on it, none of which suggest that all of the SR's have poor triggers, but only that some of them do. Given the prevalence of these reports, I would say that indicates that quite a lot of these guns (perhaps not percentage wise, but at least in raw numbers) have poor triggers.
Before getting all defensive, realize that I'm not slamming this gun that you're emotionally invested in. Nor am I saying your personal gun has a lousy trigger. I'm just saying they have erratic triggers, which may be limited to only the early models. I've seen 2 personally that had that problem, and I've read posts/articles from dozens of other people who reported similar experiences. That doesn't mean someone shouldn't buy a SR series gun, but only that you should confirm you like the trigger pull in the one you're buying before taking it home.
WinThePennant
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Sounds like you're the type who will want to measure, tinker, measure, and tinker some more.
The most appropriate full-size 9mm for that is the Glock 17. Also, consider the Glock 19.
The most appropriate full-size 9mm for that is the Glock 17. Also, consider the Glock 19.
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