Which full size 9mm?
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Well, sorry about the Ruger war here, I didn't mean for that to happen.
I am happy with my SR40, I put a lot of cheap and good rounds through it and never had a problem.
To clarify things here, I'm looking for that 1 handgun that I love everything about.
& since I already have a SR40, I didn't want to consider a SR9.
I've also head that the SR9c has a better trigger, but I'm looking for a full size gun, not a compact.
On mine, the travel is to long, and I don't much care for a 6-1/2 pound pull. Aside from that, the trigger works as it's supposed to.
I have thought about the P95, just wasn't sure, plus it has a shorter barrel as well. I use my Sig as my CC weapon, and it has worked out great.
I am happy with my SR40, I put a lot of cheap and good rounds through it and never had a problem.
To clarify things here, I'm looking for that 1 handgun that I love everything about.
& since I already have a SR40, I didn't want to consider a SR9.
I've also head that the SR9c has a better trigger, but I'm looking for a full size gun, not a compact.
On mine, the travel is to long, and I don't much care for a 6-1/2 pound pull. Aside from that, the trigger works as it's supposed to.
I have thought about the P95, just wasn't sure, plus it has a shorter barrel as well. I use my Sig as my CC weapon, and it has worked out great.
meanmrmustard
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The thing with the SRs is that they have a LE friendly trigger: Not too light, not too heavy. Perfect for a fighting pistol really. The older models stacked like cards, but I JUST messed with a new one, and it ain't half bad.
Something completely different.
A Smith and Wesson M&P40.
It feels great and for about $100 you can put in a 9mm barrel and get a couple of 9mm magazines (or use the 40S&W mags and not shoot the last round). You can also shoot 357 Sig with just a barrel swap (40/357 use the same mag).
BTW you can't go the other way (use a 40 barrel in a 9mm frame) with this gun.
As for the trigger, mine felt great from day one. No grittiness and 4-1/3 pound pull out of the box.
To rsrocket1, ya, one of the local gun shops here wont carry a divers selection, and his reason was He can sell S&W's all day, and anything like a Sig, CZ, Walther, anything not mainstream, he doesn't carry, and won't order.
The other FFL dealer in town will order just about anything you ask for, and they have better prices.
As of now the CZ 75 is on the top of my list but now (the all steel version), after all of the info given, I really want to feel a PPQ, and a FNH FNS 9mm.
The other FFL dealer in town will order just about anything you ask for, and they have better prices.
As of now the CZ 75 is on the top of my list but now (the all steel version), after all of the info given, I really want to feel a PPQ, and a FNH FNS 9mm.
Morgan8119
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I beat the hell out of this question myself. I tried the walthers and fn's but went with the m&p and don't regret it at all.
1SOW
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DB62, re weight.
Like Bozwell said, that increased weight makes it "easier" to shoot faster and more accurately for the majority of shooters. Both guns may have similar accuracy, but the heavier steel pistol reacts less to recoil and muzzle flip.
Heh Bozwell, tell your mom an 'almost' 66 yr year old guy on the forum said to "KEEP SHOOTING, it'll keep you young".
P.S. I shoot my son's Custom Shadow occassionally too. My trigger is better.
Like Bozwell said, that increased weight makes it "easier" to shoot faster and more accurately for the majority of shooters. Both guns may have similar accuracy, but the heavier steel pistol reacts less to recoil and muzzle flip.
Heh Bozwell, tell your mom an 'almost' 66 yr year old guy on the forum said to "KEEP SHOOTING, it'll keep you young".
P.S. I shoot my son's Custom Shadow occassionally too. My trigger is better.
I completely agree with Bozwells, and your point.
Honestly I never thought of it that way, but after reading his post, it did make sense to me, and was really glad he pointed that out to me
So thank you both for helping me!
I'm going to try the CZ SP-01 Tactical, in both .40S&W and 9mm
Thats CZ's all steel frame version.
I'll be leaving tomorrow for a weekend of shooting in Lexington KY.
I've already talked to a few people up there about renting a few different CZ'z and a Walther PPQ.
I can't seam to find anyone who has any FNH handguns to rent, but in the end, I'm really looking for a full size gun and not another compact, but just reading about it makes me wish I knew of them, when I was looking for a shorter 9mm. I think I would have gone with the FNH instead of the Sig Pro 9mm.
I hope Bozwell knows his post helped me out a lot.
Honestly I never thought of it that way, but after reading his post, it did make sense to me, and was really glad he pointed that out to me
So thank you both for helping me!
I'm going to try the CZ SP-01 Tactical, in both .40S&W and 9mm
Thats CZ's all steel frame version.
I'll be leaving tomorrow for a weekend of shooting in Lexington KY.
I've already talked to a few people up there about renting a few different CZ'z and a Walther PPQ.
I can't seam to find anyone who has any FNH handguns to rent, but in the end, I'm really looking for a full size gun and not another compact, but just reading about it makes me wish I knew of them, when I was looking for a shorter 9mm. I think I would have gone with the FNH instead of the Sig Pro 9mm.
I hope Bozwell knows his post helped me out a lot.
Bozwell
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If you're going to Bud's, head down the road a bit and get yourself some Joe Bologna's pizza. I grew up in Lexington and always loved JB's when I was a kid... I really need to find an excuse to get back to KY one of these days. Have fun with the shopping!
Have fun with the shopping!CZ57
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Triggers in all of the guns mentioned will have some kind of flaw whether it be excessive weight, pretravel or overtravel. The beautiful thing about the XD is that there are do-it-yourself trigger kits available that will eliminate all of them. There are videos at youtube that will guide you completely through the process. If you don't feel comfortable doing it yourself, these same companies will do the work for you and what you get in return is a "Match" trigger bettered only by a custom 1911 with a "Match" trigger.
I would highly recommend the XDm. the barrel is only .5" shorter than the Tactical and it has a Match grade barrel along with the 3 interchangeable backstraps. I have the 4.5 .45 ACP XDm and I never even bothered shooting it with the stock trigger. I installed the Powder River Precision "Match Easy" kit and my trigger is slightly less than 4# with very little pretravel and more importantly, NO overtravel to cause excessive follow through. All for about $100. All of the kits are available for the standard XD as well so you could easily modify the 5" Tactical model. Also, don't forget about the 5.25" XDm Competition model. Balance is excellent and weight is greater than other polymer pistols, but in my opinion, the XD/XDm are more solidly built pistols than the Glocks and definitely have better chamber support for the casehead.
I would highly recommend the XDm. the barrel is only .5" shorter than the Tactical and it has a Match grade barrel along with the 3 interchangeable backstraps. I have the 4.5 .45 ACP XDm and I never even bothered shooting it with the stock trigger. I installed the Powder River Precision "Match Easy" kit and my trigger is slightly less than 4# with very little pretravel and more importantly, NO overtravel to cause excessive follow through. All for about $100. All of the kits are available for the standard XD as well so you could easily modify the 5" Tactical model. Also, don't forget about the 5.25" XDm Competition model. Balance is excellent and weight is greater than other polymer pistols, but in my opinion, the XD/XDm are more solidly built pistols than the Glocks and definitely have better chamber support for the casehead.
HorseSoldier
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Glock 17/19 are very solid members of the affordable but quality pistol club.
All the CZ-75 based pistols are also solid performers. If concealed carry is a consideration the SP-01 may not be optimal, and a standard 75 or one of the flavors of compact 75s might be better. If CCW isn't a consideration I'd get the all steel SP-01 over the polymer -- all that steel, especially the full length dust cover, makes for a very fast firing pistol.
Somebody up thread mentioned the Walther P99AS -- +1 to that. The AS version has the best trigger (in single action mode) of any polymer framed pistol I've fired.
You might want to hunt around your local gun stores for what they have used or on consignment -- you may find some options in good condition that are in your price range, when new is pricey.
All the CZ-75 based pistols are also solid performers. If concealed carry is a consideration the SP-01 may not be optimal, and a standard 75 or one of the flavors of compact 75s might be better. If CCW isn't a consideration I'd get the all steel SP-01 over the polymer -- all that steel, especially the full length dust cover, makes for a very fast firing pistol.
Somebody up thread mentioned the Walther P99AS -- +1 to that. The AS version has the best trigger (in single action mode) of any polymer framed pistol I've fired.
You might want to hunt around your local gun stores for what they have used or on consignment -- you may find some options in good condition that are in your price range, when new is pricey.
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From two you listed I have experience with Phantom only. No experience with XD.
Phantom is a great pistol, but when I was looking at phantom i ended up buying CZ 75 Tactical Sports. Its worth a look if you want a good CZ.
Phantom is a great pistol, but when I was looking at phantom i ended up buying CZ 75 Tactical Sports. Its worth a look if you want a good CZ.
You mean there are bad CZs?
papaairbear
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I just bought a CZ 75 B and I love everything about it. It fits in my hand like it was built for me only, the safety lever serves as a perfect thumb rest for me using a firm two handed-thumbs forward grip. In fact the ergonomics seen designed only for me. It's an all steel pistol and weighs in at 2.2 lbs so it easier for me to keep the front post lined up in the rear notch. The trigger break does have a little creep to take out but that's how I learned to shoot-take up the slack in the trigger, then press till it fires. Felt recoil and muzzle jump aren't that noticable to me. Definately less than my Kahr P9. And I was able to keep 200 rounds on the paper with about half in the black circle (std NRA small 25 yd pistol target) at 25 yards this last week. I really think I could shoot the center out at 10 yards with this gun! Do yourself a favor and hold off till you can hold a CZ, or even both at same sitting.
armoredman
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No, molded polymer. Watch the movie I linked to in my first post in this thread for some closer looks at the Phantom.
The CZ-75 is NOT related to the Browning Hi-Power...that gets thrown out a lot. Yes, there are some Browning concepts in the gun, but I would be hard pressed to find many that don't use one or another concepts from the great man.
But Steven A Camp, a great Hi Power expert, (God rest his soul), had an excellent article about the differences between the HP and CZ. I hope you find the gun that is right for you - the beauty of American, diversity means many things, like a gunshops shelves filled with different handguns to try until you find the one that fits you. Mine is CZ, and I conceal a Phantom easily with the right leather, like this High Noon Down Under with straps.
kokapelli, if you ever tried a CZ-100, you wouldn't say that. I am a dyed in the wool CZ man, and I wouldn't have another CZ-100 for anything but a collectible wall hanger.
Yes your right, I have never shot the 100.No, molded polymer. Watch the movie I linked to in my first post in this thread for some closer looks at the Phantom.
The CZ-75 is NOT related to the Browning Hi-Power...that gets thrown out a lot. Yes, there are some Browning concepts in the gun, but I would be hard pressed to find many that don't use one or another concepts from the great man.
I hope you find the gun that is right for you - the beauty of American, diversity means many things, like a gunshops shelves filled with different handguns to try until you find the one that fits you. Mine is CZ, and I conceal a Phantom easily with the right leather, like this High Noon Down Under with straps.
kokapelli, if you ever tried a CZ-100, you wouldn't say that. I am a dyed in the wool CZ man, and I wouldn't have another CZ-100 for anything but a collectible wall hanger.
About a month ago 9mm was the only major caliber that I lacked. I got a screaming deal on a Ruger P89 from a buddy of mine at work. I hated it. It shot good, but the safety was backwards from all my other autos. So I made a buddy a screaming deal on it and went to the gun shop. I bought a CZ SP-01 Tactical. Holy crap I love this pistol. I swear the recoil is like a .22. It's the fastest gun to get back on to target that I've ever owned. Plus, it's sexy as hell
triplebike
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Walther PPQ has one of the nicest triggers out of the box that you can buy. I'm not a striker fan but if I was I would definitely own a PPQ (9mm).
I just picked up my 3rd CZ, A CZ 75B SA T set up by the CZ custom shop. Most accurate handgun that I have fired so far. The trigger is simply outstanding.
I just picked up my 3rd CZ, A CZ 75B SA T set up by the CZ custom shop. Most accurate handgun that I have fired so far. The trigger is simply outstanding.
madstabber
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out of the 2 you listed i'd go with the cz or for a different 1 try the sig p226
meanmrmustard
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Disagree. I find the SR series to also have less than desirable triggers. I also disagree that the SR trigger is better than the M&P, which is smoother to me.
Trigger pull is subjective in feel, and no two people are exactly the same. Don't get agitated that some people don't like a gun that you happen to, as it adds emotion to the objective parts of a statement and negates the impact of your information.
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