Which gun companies might move?

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With the increasing polarization of our country between Socialism vs. traditional American ideology, several gun manufacturers have moved out of anti-gun states to states that respect the Constitution.

Beretta, ATI, Magpul and Remington have announced their plans to relocate.

Do you know of any other companies considering moving? I can put them in touch with some economic development organizations that can help them move.
 
Do you know of any other companies considering moving? I can put them in touch with some economic development organizations that can help them move.

I think they've all been pitched to death by every Chamber of Commerce, Economic Development Agency, realator, huckster, shyster, politician, and tax board in the other states.
 
Glad to hear Remington is considering a move. They weren't planning on one, at least publicly, last I heard. I would like Kimber to move as well even though they are not being targeted by the SAFE act. But that doesn't mean they won't be soon.
 
Given their back-order situation I suspect a lot of companies are doing some considering, but won't move at this time because of production down time. However, it is more likely that they won't expand where they are now either.

If overall employment shrinks some states may come to wish they hadn't done what they did, especially if their new "reasonable" statutes get overturned by federal courts. :uhoh:
 
opening additional shops in one state while maintaining offices in another is not really moving.
 
Beretta only announced that they are building another facility and may gradually shift production from their Maryland facility. They already had warehousing in VA.

Kahr is moving to Eastern PA but will continue their production in their regular facility for now.

Had not heard anything about Remington. They already have manufacturing in KY.

Colt would like to move. But I doubt they will do it.
 
With the increasing polarization of our country between Socialism vs. traditional American ideology, several gun manufacturers have moved out of anti-gun states to states that respect the Constitution.

Beretta, ATI, Magpul and Remington have announced their plans to relocate.

Do you know of any other companies considering moving? I can put them in touch with some economic development organizations that can help them move.
Remington has said they would move from Ilion, NY? Do you have a source?
 
"Beretta CEO Cites Maryland’s Disrespect For His Company, Gun Owners As Reason For $45 Million Tennessee Expansion"

http://personalliberty.com/2014/02/...as-reason-for-45-million-tennessee-expansion/


"In an open letter this week, Ugo Gussalli Beretta, CEO and president of the company, explained that Maryland’s disrespect for gun rights was the reason for the decision." (not to expand operations in Maryland)

Ugo Gussalli Beretta wrote ....."But in any event, because of these new restrictions and the pattern of harassment aimed at lawful firearm owners we have seen in Maryland over the decades, we decided to expand our facilities in a state that shows more respect for citizens who exercise their Second Amendment rights."

The article went on and gave the reason why Beretta chose Gallatin Tennessee for their '$45 million manufacturing and research and development facility'. "We chose Tennessee also because the vast majority of its residents and their elected officials have shown that they respect and honor the American tradition of personal freedoms, including the right to bear arms."


I suggest reading the whole article, it is a good write up. Bottom line, while Maryland loses. But Tennessee (and gun owners) it is a win, a big win and it sends a strong message.





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I suggest reading the whole article, it is a good write up. Bottom line, while Maryland loses. But Tennessee (and gun owners) it is a win, a big win and it sends a strong message.

Good article.

As a resident of Tennessee, I welcome Beretta to the state. They will find an atmosphere here that is very conducive to their business interests. I have always appreciated that they manufacture quality weapons, but have never been a Beretta advocate (even though my wife is). However, their locating a plant in my state will influence my future purchasing decisions as it will support a pro-2A company that is providing jobs for my fellow residents by producing high quality products.

Beretta's decision to expand their production capacity in a state that, for the most part, respects the 2nd Amendment shows that the power of the purse is still alive and well.
 
I think they've all been pitched to death by every Chamber of Commerce, Economic Development Agency, realator, huckster, shyster, politician, and tax board in the other states.

That's why I am looking specifically for companies now *starting* to think about moving.
 
Remington has said they would move from Ilion, NY? Do you have a source?

http://www.ibtimes.com/southern-exp...northeast-manufacturers-fleeing-dixie-1533842

"One of the biggest and most celebrated gun-makers in New York -- which has been in the business for almost two centuries -- may also flee southward. According to media reports in Tennessee, Remington Arms, based in Herkimer County, N.Y., is actively seeking a new headquarters in the Nashville area. Like many firearms manufacturers in New York, Remington fears what SAFE will do to its bottom line, and its concerns have been exacerbated by warnings from some gun consumers that they may not do business with New York-based companies anymore."
 
http://www.ibtimes.com/southern-exp...northeast-manufacturers-fleeing-dixie-1533842

"One of the biggest and most celebrated gun-makers in New York -- which has been in the business for almost two centuries -- may also flee southward. According to media reports in Tennessee, Remington Arms, based in Herkimer County, N.Y., is actively seeking a new headquarters in the Nashville area. Like many firearms manufacturers in New York, Remington fears what SAFE will do to its bottom line, and its concerns have been exacerbated by warnings from some gun consumers that they may not do business with New York-based companies anymore."

Remington will move 80 of about 1500 jobs from Ilion, NY to Huntsville, AL.
 
Remington is opening a plant in Huntsville, it's far from moving out of Ilion. At the most they will consolidate the AR15 production of Bushmaster, DPMS, and LAR there, as those plants are in different states and the duplication of effort raises costs.

In that regard, it's not Ilion taking a hit, it's DPMS and LAR Grizzly shutting down and moving.

Simple fact finding and reading comprehension are two skills that seem to be in short supply on this subject. There's a lot of vindictiveness behind the rumors, when in reality no business makes that kind of decision without some due diligence in cost accounting behind it.

Very few plants are actually getting shut down, what has happened is that the decision makers finally looked at the money getting spent and saw some of it could be profit in the long run. There's no money to make in political gestures by interrupting an assembly line or profit stream just to make a point.

If you are a DPMS, LAR, AAC, or other employee who's losing your job, no doubt you have a different view of the situation. In terms of the enormous downsizing and outsourcing of jobs overseas in the last 20 years, I don't see why concerned conservatives would openly embrace it with no reservations.

Would a different headline make it more plain? "Gun makers lay off employees in anti gun states as they shift production to cut payroll costs." Please explain how you support that.

Some just want to thumb their noses at a few liberal politicians, but those losing their jobs aren't volunteering for the sacrifice. Like it or not, it's still business as usual.
 
HK, Colt....

Colt is going to start up a plant in Kissimmee Florida. It plans to have 60-80 full time staff. Engineers & designers too.
That's about 15min from Orlando Florida.
Heckler & Koch(HK) moved the US offices to AL from NOVA(Sterling VA) a few years ago. I think it was a space(land), $$$(budgets) & regulation issue more than anti-gun politics. HK was a strong presence with US armed forces, spec ops & law enforcement for decades.

Rusty
PS; Kel-Tec & DB Arms(Diamond Back) are also in central Florida(space coast).
 
I think they've all been pitched to death by every Chamber of Commerce, Economic Development Agency, realator, huckster, shyster, politician, and tax board in the other states.

Magpul made their announcement when new laws were passed and it took them time to figure out where they were going. Why stay where you are not wanted?

If a Shyster talks you into moving to a State that is friendly to your business and some huckster politician and tax board makes you a lot better deal than their counter parts in the State your product is no longer wanted, what is the problem?

Other than States imploading on themselves while turning socialist, the only problem I see is the people fleeing said States polluting the States that go to, Once they escape the mess they created/elected in the last State they left.

CA to CO being a good example.
 
Having lived in SW MO most of my life, I've seen the damage that outside intruders inflict on the local political scene.

Socialism very definitely leaves it's mark on the previously conservative communities here as they move in from other states looking for that "small town feeling." They bring in their metro attitude that is much more self serving and demanding of their point of view. That is the basic tenet of socialism - give us what we want, even if it means corrupting the government's purpose and diverting tax dollars to satisfy our demands. If it imposes inordinate costs on business, "too bad for you, we sure can afford it, and we have more votes to get it done. "

At that point you see greenspace projects taking land off the property tax rolls, community art grants instead of humanitarian works, a prediliction by city councils to take over private property thru eminent domain just to sell it to developers building upscale businesses on "impacted" neighborhoods. TIF districts spring up, and there are even issues floated to increase sales taxes on privately owned malls so that the owners can spend the money directly on property improvements. In other words, the shoppers finance the next remodel, not the owners. It keeps the tenants happy and doesn't make them look like they are raising prices - which they would if the floor rates went up.

Socialism is very well understood when you see liberal immigrants and retirees looking for new scenery to practice their past bad habits. It's largely entitlement thinking with a focus on putting the burden of the costs on the taxpayers to benefit the few, exactly what they did to ruin their last habitat. Like a plague of locusts, they travel across the landscape devouring the substance of those they infest.

Which is exactly why gunmakers are so willing to bail out of those types of mindsets looking for working communities who are proud to earn their paycheck. Not wait for a government check in the mail.
 
I live with the results of socialism, in a country ranked as the #1 socialist nation in the world. We just happen to be ostensibly free. I get a pension from the government, and free health care as a retired soldier. I am likely eligible to stop working and receive disability pay, and can start receiving Social Security in just a few months.

All of you get to pay for it. What's not socialist about that?

Agree to disagree, your definition of socialism really could use some clarification, as off topic as it is. Even so - better scholars than I have already stated it, in the larger scheme of ranking governments, the US is socialist. We aren't a representative Republic except in the few mechanisations of our electoral process.

Because of that - businesses DO look in other states to move there. And, as previously mentioned, part of the package is tax abatement, the use of eminent domain to remove the previous owners and force the property into the hands of the new owners to reap higher sales tax revenues. The governments enlist grant writers to find money from Congress to underwrite transfers and new employee training, or, at the old site, retraining for the newly fired workers. Rezoning is expedited to allow that use of the land under property code restrictions, then more money allocated to improve roads and rails, infrastructure, etc. Both the gaining City Council and Chamber of Commerce work the hallways to get the new business every possible economic incentive available.

If the government is handing out my taxpayer dollars to entice a for profit business, and it's NOT socialism, what is it?
 
You live in which top ten socialist country?

•China
•Denmark
•Finland
•Netherlands
•Canada
•Sweden
•Norway
•Ireland
•New Zealand
•Belgium
 
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