Which handgun to choose?

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Okay, about 8 years ago I shot a Glock 21 and loved it. Now that I moved from California to Arizona (the laws being MUCH better out here) I am ready to purchase a handgun. I was pretty much set on the Glock 21, but wanted to shoot a couple others so I shot the following:

-Glock 36 (didn't like too much, too small - recoil was annoying)
-Glock 30 (nice gun, shot okay with this - seemed a bit short)
-Springfield XD 45 (actually thought this was the most fun to shoot, felt as though it was a touchy trigger)
-Smith & Wesson M&P .40 (I was very accurate with this one, felt nice)

My main goal is for an all around nice handgun, something that I can carry hiking (keep me safe from mountain lions or coyotes), home protection and just a nice stable gun that is nice to practice for a 1st time owner. I am a female, small framed, I have long fingers so the Glock 21 is not too big for my hands, but may be a bit much for me to carry hiking.

I am torn though because I really like the way the Glock 21 feels when target shooting. The Springfield and Smith & Wesson were nice as well, I'm just wondering if anyone can give me some insight on the pros & cons of these guns, especially for what I am wanting it for. All of the guns I actually shot well with and pretty much hit what I was aiming for.

Any advice? Pros/cons of each?
 
Everyone of these firearms you have listed are super reliable. None of them will let you down in the slightest. With that said, it all comes down to what you shot best with.
 
So long as you keep them clean and maintained, any of them should work fine.

As a note on what Rukus said, when I purchased my handgun I actually shot better with the XD, but hated how it felt so I bought the M&P instead. I loved the feel of my purchase, and so I was much more eager to shoot it and much more relaxed while shooting. Because of this I quickly surpassed what I was shooting with the XD.

So, I would advise you to purchase the one you enjoy shooting the most and then just make sure you put it to good use!
 
My main goal is for an all around nice handgun, something that I can carry hiking (keep me safe from mountain lions or coyotes), home protection and just a nice stable gun that is nice to practice for a 1st time owner.

Hmmm.

Have you tried any wheel guns yet? From what you have described there is nothing a good quality revolver in .357MAG couldn't cover in all areas. As far as an "all around nice handgun" is concerned, I can't think of a better one than a S&W 66 or 686 for a 1st time owner. Taurus and Ruger equivalents are good choices as well.

That being said, if you prefer "autos" all of your choices are also good ones. You'll just have to decide which works best for you.

I wouldn't worry about coyotes or moutain lions though. They aren't known to attack humans much. I'd be more concerned about the two legged types in remote areas. Like I said, to cover all areas I would prefer a revolver chambered in .357MAG.

my 2 pennies.
 
might wanna throw the ruger SR9 into the mix... cost wise, it would be less than all of the ones you mentioned... its dead on accurate and its a really slim gun for a 17rd double stack mag... plus it feels more solid to shoot than a glock

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I would echo what has already been said, S&W has a model 60 out with 3" barrel, adjustable sights, it would be a pleasure to pack, .357 capability...but if your steadfast on the semi autois, the XDs are nice, very accurate and my pick of the litter.
 
I'd like to point out that all four of the pistols you have listed are basically the same... polymer framed striker fired autos. The M&P and the XD are both inspired by the Glock. All four are excellent weapons but you might consider branching out a little. Go to a range that rents guns and see what looks interesting. Personally, I prefer a pistol with an external hammer, and metal frames are kind of nice. As others have suggested a revolver might be an excellent choice as well.

I'd also suggest that as a female shooter you check out http://www.corneredcat.com/ it's an excellent resource. It is often said that it is better for a woman to get self defense advice from other woman shooters ...YMMV.

As for mountain loins, in some areas of southern AZ loin attacks are a genuine concern, especially for someone of small stature hiking or cycling alone. But coyotes... not so much. You're still much more likely to encounter a two legged monster no matter where you are.
 
Glock is great when it comes down to it, but a bit blocky in my opinion.

I don't have experience with the XD but I have a buddy that loves his.

I have the M&P and it just feels right and shoots well........my only gripe, get a trigger job....I did and it has made a great difference, plus you can now get the crimson trace grips.
 
I got the M&P, haven't regretted it.


It feels better in my hand, and I shoot well with it. no problems at all, over about 600 rounds so far


cant go wrong w/ any of your choices, get what you like to shoot!
 
Of the choices, I would go with the XD. I shoot 1911s the most, so the XD just feels better. Big-bore glocks are too fat for comfort IMO, otherwise I would have paid $425 for the 10mm I saw a while back (it didnt last a week).

I've held an M&P, that's about it, so I cant comment on it. I hear lotsa good things about them though. Never shot a Glock 36 either.

Try them on, see which one feels best.
 
Some folks are big semi-auto fans. I'm not one of them.

.357 MAG revolver with 4 inch barrel is easy to master with plain 38 special ammo. Load up with MAG ammo as needed.

TR
 
Any of the semi autos you mentioned would work well. Also add the Ruger GP100 (or security six) in 357mag, especially for a trail gun. Since you mentioned using it as a trail gun, look at any of the357's with a 6 inch barrel. If the big cats are a problem, go for a reasonably powerful handgun (40S&W, 45ACP, 357mag as minimums.
DJC
 
Hey thanks for all of your responses, a lot of information to go on! My dad keeps on telling me to try out a .357 revolver (as a few of you mentioned as well), especially for hiking. A 357 is one that I have actually never shot, perhaps I will try that before I purchase something. In the end I think that I will end up getting at least 2 guns - one to carry and one to just have for home/range shooting. I am kind of excited to get a gun, but want to make sure that I make the best choice for me. Unfortunately, I will have to try and find a range that will rent out all of these other suggestions!
 
Try a CZ-75 in the .40 round.Cant beat the price on the things and trail gun one day match gun the next day.But bottom line get what seems to work well for you. I agree on the .357 idea but some of them can be a bit of a handfull when they go off.
 
Buying a gun is a personal thing. Buying a gun for CC is an even more personal thing. How well you conceal a gun depends on your body, and the style of dress. One thing that is important is that you get a gun that fits your hand well. This will allow you to point it more naturally. However, many people have guns that don’t fit them in such a manner and get by fine. Sometimes they just learn the gun.

When looking for a new gun it’s important to determine how you plan to use/carry it. When I went looking for a CCW I tried out holsters at the same time. I covered the weapon and looked in the mirror while sitting and moving around to see if it would print or not. In essence, I determined ahead of time exactly how I was going to use and carry the weapon before I even when shopping. Then, when I had made that determination did I go to the gun shop and look for guns and holsters that would work for me. Combine that with how the gun fits in your hand, and how well you shoot it.

Another thing to consider the availability of parts and accessories. Holsters are a biggie here as that is how you will carry the gun. Springs fly away, and small parts break. Know where to get the parts, and what to do with them once you’ve located them. Glocks are easy to work on, and parts are cheap and readily available. The others may be also, but I’m not familiar with them.

You sound like you are fond of .45 ACP or .40 S&W, and that’s fine. They are good rounds but, also understand that they are more expensive to shoot than a 9mm. For some people that is an issue, and for some it isn’t. Some people even buy a .22 just to practice with. There’s a lot of things to think about when buying a gun.

The guns you’ve listed should be fine. I personally wouldn’t trust the M&P just based on the problems I’ve heard about on the net. I know only one person who owns one, and he has had no reported problems with it. Take that for what it’s worth. Were I to buy and M&P, I’d want to put at least 1000 rounds through it before I trusted it. There are people who have M&P’s without any problems, and then there is a whole sub-forum dedicated to it’s problems on the S&W forums site. It’s probably like any other weapon in that you should shoot it enough to become familiar with it and be able to trust it.

If you like the G21, you might look at the G21SF. It’s a slimmer frame, and has a reversible magazine catch. I know you didn’t put it on your list, but you’ve listed two subcompact guns (the Glocks) and two service size guns. It’s kind of like the old “apples and oranges” cliché. Either way, the Glock has been time proven, and there is a lot of parts and accessories for them out there, so you should be fine with any one you choose. If it’s for concealment, then you probably want a smaller frame, but if it isn’t for concealment, then why not go with higher capacity. Something else about the Glocks is that if you get the .40 Glock, you can swap in a conversion barrel and run 9mm for practice. I don’t know if it’s possible with their .45, but it might be something to look into.

The XD has a different grip angle than the Glock (as does the M&P), and it also has the grip safety. It’s trigger pull isn’t a much as the Glock because it is more “cocked” than a Glock. Like the Glock and the M&P, there are a lot of XD owners out there who trust their life with them and will attest to their greatness.

The fact that you’ve listed two different sizes of weapons (subcompact, and service) seems to indicate that you either still aren’t sure about the potential purpose of the weapon, or your thinking that it will serve a dual role. That dual role being concealed carry, and home defense. Most people don’t use a full sized service weapon for CCW, but there are a lot of people who do. If you can make it work, then more power to you. I suspect this is why the manufactures came up with the compact size (between the service and sub compact). As an example, i can use a G19 (9mm compact) that will work (for me) as a CCW piece, yet still fill the need for HD. As with most of the weapons you mentioned (exception being the slim line Glock),the G19 can take mags from the G17, or just use some pierce grip extensions to increase capacity.

Bottome line:

Go with the one that suites you the best. If you don’t mind spending the extra cash on .45 ammo then get it since you can shoot it (I mention this because you talk about practice), and it‘s suggested to use the largest caliber you feel comfortable with. Know before you buy (by trying it out in the store) exactly how you are going to use/carry/conceal this weapon. I have a friend who bought his first CCW piece last year and isn’t happy because he now realizes it’s too big for pocket carry, and he doesn’t like Hawaiian shirts. You might consider this when looking at the service size.

I wrote this before the crash yesterday, and now see your onto the idea of having two guns. This isn’t a new idea and it’s sound logic. Your needs for a trail gun may not be the same for something for home/personal defense.

The suggestions for .357 for a trail gun aren’t all that bad. Ted Nugent carries a 10mm for that purpose. Again, go with the largest you feel comfortable with, and understand the limitations of the weapon before buying. Don’t limit yourself. There are a plethora of options out there, and it can be advantageous that you know what the limitations and advantages of each gun/caliber are before you buy.

P.S.

corneredcats blog is excellent reading.
 
Poor_Richard

Thanks for your very detailed and insightful reply.

In your post you said, "If you like the G21, you might look at the G21SF. It’s a slimmer frame, and has a reversible magazine catch." I did want to try this out to compare, but the shop didn't have this to shoot. When you say "reversible magazine catch" do you mean that as being suitable for both left and right handed shooters? Also, do you know from experience how this compares to the Glock 21? That is in handling and recoil?

I forgot to mention that I am a lefty and noticed that the glocks I shot are not made for left handed shooters. It's not like I can't shoot them, but I have to work around it a bit. It would be nice to get something that was made for a lefty as well.

As for the cost of the 45 rounds, I'm not too concerned and know that I will end up buying at least two guns anyway. I do like the idea that a 40 caliber glock can convert to a 9mm. I don't think that the .45's convert. I am going to try out a .357 soon as I need to make my decision. I'm not sure which gun that I want to get first, the CCW gun or my practice/home protection gun.
 
i say go with the xd, sounds like you liked it and that is really what it comes down too. i av 2 xd's that have been 100% reliable, they are accurate, easy to and fun to shoot, and a joy to carry. i would look no farther than the xd.
 
If you can pony up the extra couple hundred, I'd suggest a Sig P220 Carry in .45 or a P229 in .40/.357/9mm.

Once you shoot a Sig, the rest are just, well, .....less.
 
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