Which is better, CZ-PCR, CZ-PO1 or CZ-75 Compact?

[Walt Sherrill]

Head and Shoulders above CZ's?

The only two gun companies that I've done business with that are better than CZ (talking about service) are RUGER and Kel-Tec.

(And that has proved to be calls for information and parts I thought I wanted -- as I've never really had anything break on any of them due to gun/design issues, except an extractor on a MKII Target Competition. I sent hte BOLT to Ruger, and they claimed they had not received it. But, thankfully, UPS had a signature of the person who signed for it upon delivery. Ruger was real apologetic and sent me a new bolt and extractor...)

 

[Zardoz]

I'm a dealer and HAVE sent guns back to most manufacturures, CZ's "service" is near the bottom rung with Browning. As a matter of fact we've had a CZ pistol there for 4 weeks and I'll bet it comes back with issues!

I do like most CZ products but we had to drop them for sale and will only order them on request. Most of the other companies have been great about fixing defective products and are swift about it.

 

[Black Snowman]

Zardoz, sad to hear about your troubles with CZ USA but, unfortunately, as good of a guy as Mike is (their gunsmith) he's still just one guy and backlogs are common.

The fact that one guy can (usually) handle all of their warranty work plus paid custom work, does speak highly of the quality and design of the weapons. Sure they don't sell the volume that other companies do but they do what they can to maximize value to their customers, and service times are one place where they make sacrifices to keep prices down.

Browning's service is no suprise since they don't actually make any weapons themselves. FN being their primary supplier IIRC. Adding another party to the mix always slows things down.

 

[VG]

Why would anyone buy one of these over a S&W 3913? I can think of several reasons:

1) Magazine magazine capacity. My carry gun, a CZ-75B Compact holds 14 rounds, and its about the same size as your 3913. A 3913 holds 7 rounds, right?

2) because, for most people, the CZ just "points" better and feels better in their hand.

3) And recoils less because of a lower bore axis.

And, 4) because not everybody has had, as you seem to feel you have had, a bad experience with their CZs.

/snipped/

Why not sell the one you've got -- take a loss -- and just put your CZ experience behind you? Then you can start extolling the virtues of the 3913 to others, without having to constantly compare it to what you clearly feel is an inferior weapon.

I tried to sell it and the only people who wanted to buy it either wanted to trade even more obscure weapons for it, or wanted me to finance it! It just wasn't worth the trouble of dealing with them. I do shoot it now and again. I never found a local buyer even for what I paid for it - $375.

The S&W's have many choices of holsters, sights, and other accessories available; are supported by most dealers and gunsmiths; have excellent fit and finish for a popularly-priced handgun; and are backed up by Smith & Wesson's exceptional factory service, rivaled only by Sigarms.

Mike is a nice fellow and CZ USA does try pretty hard. When the ambidextrous safety broke off on my long-off-warranty CZ85C, they did the gunsmithing work to fit the new-style safety (which had a thicker sleeve to solve this breakage problem, and thus required a larger hole) for free, less shipping, in under a month. But to compare one gunsmith to S&W's factory service department is just plain silly.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

You've clearly had a long hard ride with your gun...

I was one of the guys who offered to buy your gun from you, for the price you were asking, but didn't have the cash immediately to hand. (And I simply don't BORROW to buy toys.) I was willing to send you some money up front and let you HOLD the gun until it was paid for, but you found a local buyer -- who later backed out. That's not financing the sale -- that's time payment. <grin>

Among other guns, I have an 85 Combat, a 75B SA that has been touched by a gifted gunsmith (before I bought it), a pre-B CZ-75, a CZ-75 Compact, a custom AT-84S (worked on by Boland before he retired), and a choice older (1968) Browning High Power.

I benched them all at 20 yards, and they all shoot so close that I can only attribute the differences to shooter error; I get different results each time I try it -- its more me than the guns. I have a Glock 34 that shoots right with them. The 75B SA is the EASIEST to shoot well rapidly, but the Combat is close. For IDPA, I use the 85 Combat and the Glock 34 most often.

I also had a S&W 52-2 (sold recently) and a SIG P-210-6. Exceptionally accurate guns. But out to 20 yards, there wasn't enough difference between any of them to really matter to me and my old eyes, unless I was shooting from a bench. Beyond 20 yards, the P-210-6 and 52-2 made pinging plates a bit easier, and the better sights on the 52-2 was a noticeable plus.

Sounds like you've got a "runt" of the litter.

And I'm finding it easier, now, to find stuff for CZs than for the single-stack S&W semi-autos. They're starting to get a CZ customer base built up.

 

[armoredman]

Well, anyone here who doesn't know my opinion on CZ pistols doesn't read my posts!<grin>! I love my P01 - it is my everyay all day gun. I had Smith autos as well, but the high bore axis and grip did not fit right. The CZ grips fit me like a custom fitted glove. I look forward to the full size SP01 with 18 round mag as a full size duty pistol, as well.

 

[kerstingm]

I have a CZ 75B and I just got the 75D PCR Compact. I can not say enough good things about my CZ's, they just eat anything I put through them, they are scary accurate and I can carry my compact all day and it's so comfortable I almost forget I have it on. To me CZ makes one of the best pistols out there.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

The PCR is the lightest, followed by the P-01 (albeit by a small margin), and the heaviest is the 75 Compact as it is all steel while the others have aluminum frames. I own a PCR myself and am very pleased with it.

 

[kerstingm]

If I found the PCR months ago I have three other pistols right now that I probably wouldn't own. Everybody that I know that knows anything about CZ's love them. I own, Sigs, Beretta, and Glock. Cz is by far my favorite.
I want to get a competition trigger on my full size 75B. I am having a little trouble trying to find a gunsmith who can do the wor, I'm trying not have to ship it back to CZ.